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===============================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Kevin & Cheryl Caldwell</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net">kevin.caldwell1963@verizon.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.01.19 (03) [EN]<br></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;">“</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: 115%;">Nasenhaarschneider,
only I don't know what that is called in English.</span>”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Nose hair
trimmer.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Kevin Caldwell</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Laurel, MD</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: 115%; margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">From: <span>M.-L. Lessing</span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de" target="_blank">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span>LL-L "Etymology" 2010.01.19 (02) [EN-NDS-NL]</span></span></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: 115%;">May we really imagine the ancient
"Nordmänner" taking a downright real bath -- with soap, warm water,
towels and everything -- in a wooden tub <em>every saturday</em>? <em>Every</em>
saturday? Even in winter? Or maybe even in cold water, when no warm water could
be got? This is fascinating. I feel I have wronged them hitherto. I had very
modest ideas about historical hygiene. Now I will not be surprised about them
having had toothbrushes (a new one every month or so?) and maybe
Nasenhaarschneider, only I don't know what that is called in English.</span></p>
</div>----------<br><br>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.01.19 (03) [EN]<br><br></span>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>>><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
Folks,<br>
<br>
Apparently, Danish and Dano-Norwegian /lørdag/, Swedish /lördag/,
Neo-Norwegian /laurdag/, Faroese /leygardagur/ and Icelandic
/laugardagur/ (Saturday) come from Old Norse /laugardagr/.<br>
<br>
The Old Norse verb /lauga/ means ‘to bathe’, and it is related to the
feminine-gender noun /laug/ (pl. /laugar/) ‘bath’, ‘hot spring’. I
believe that /laug/ is the cognate of English “lye”, Dutch /loog/ and
German /Lauge/.<br>
<br>
So Saturday used to be bath day up north.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Not only up north in Scandinavia. Saturday was also bathing day in my
Low Saxon home region until recently (recently meaning the time when
public water lines and then modern bath rooms became common). I don't
know whether this is a common inherited feature or just coincidence,
but most likely it is a Christian feature to be clean when attending
church. Or is the word '/lørdag/' already attested for pre-christian
times?<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
Marcus Buck</font><br><span class="gI"><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: "Mari Sarv" <<a href="mailto:mari@haldjas.folklore.ee">mari@haldjas.folklore.ee</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.01.19 (03) [EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br></span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It used to be a rule in Estonian traditional society as well. Actually,
heating the sauna is still customary mostly on Saturdays.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But what facilities Nordmänner could have? Something like sauna
or what? Any ideas?</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Mari Sarv</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span>From:
<span>M.-L. Lessing</span><span> </span><span><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de" target="_blank">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span>LL-L "Etymology" 2010.01.19 (02) [EN-NDS-NL]</span></span></p>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">May we really imagine the
ancient "Nordmänner" taking a downright real bath -- with soap, warm
water, towels and everything -- in a wooden tub <em>every saturday</em>? <em>Every</em>
saturday? Even in winter? Or maybe even in cold water, when no warm water could
be got? This is fascinating. I feel I have wronged them hitherto. I had very
modest ideas about historical hygiene. Now I will not be surprised about them having
had toothbrushes (a new one every month or so?) and maybe Nasenhaarschneider,
only I don't know what that is called in English.</span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Hartlich!</span></p>
</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Marlou</span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left: 80px; color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology</span></p>
</div>
<p style="margin-left: 80px; color: rgb(102, 51, 102);" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">....</span></p>
<div style="margin-left: 24pt; color: rgb(102, 51, 102);">
<p style="margin-left: 80px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">So Saturday
used to be bath day up north.</span></p>
</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">----------<br><br></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">Thanks, everyone.<br><br>
As Marcus says above, this is how it used to be until fairly recently, and I'll add to this "before the introduction of hot tap water."<br><br>Also, by "up north" I had meant Northern Europe in general, but I should have made this clearer.<br>
<br>Water tended to be heated in large pots on the hearth or wood or coal stove and then poured into a movable tub (temporarily placed in the kitchen or general living room). Those that had a separate laundry room would bathe there. The usual tub was just large enough for an adult to sit in with bent knees. Usually the entire family would use the same water, so by the end of it would definitely look like <i>laug</i>. This was quite a production and also relatively costly (since it used a lot of fuel). So once a week seemed plenty in those days.<br>
<br>Icelanders tend(ed) to enjoy hot springs, of course.</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><br>
</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
In Jewish families of the north this tended to happen on Friday afternoon, before the beginning of <i>Shabbath </i>that evening, unless one went to the </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">mikwah</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, the usually communal ritual bath with its roots in the Near East.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><br>Of course, the Finnish, Estonian and other Finnic people got it right, as did many Russians with Finnic roots and/or influences, as well as indigenous Siberians and Americans. The sauna (as well as Russian <i>banya</i> or Siberian and American sweat lodge) causes you to sweat and get heated you up so much that even in the wintertime you could go for a roll in the snow or for a dip in a hole in the ice for a few seconds. </font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Seattle, USA</span><br>
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