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===============================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Ronald Veenker</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:veenker@atmc.net">veenker@atmc.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (01B) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I read them, Ron</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ron<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Below is a string of "special" Roman characters (with diacritics and such):<br>¡
¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ¬ ¬® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ • ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À Á  à Ä
Å Æ Ç È É Ê Ë Ì Í Î Ï Ð Ñ Ò Ó Ô Õ Ö × Ø Ù Ú Û Ü Ý Þ ß à á â ã ä å æ ç è
é ê ë ì í î ï ð ñ ò ó ô õ ö ÷ ø ù ú û ü ý þ ÿ<br></div></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>----------<br><br>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (01B) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Comes through loud, clear and intact! Jacqueline</span><br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (01C) [EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ron, I seem not to have any problem reading these characters. I have
never had any problem with the Lowland Mails. Of course it might be possible
that the “computer” ( word that I use but it could also have the
meaning of gremlins) starts to act up when it finds these “odd”
characters between normal letters. Good luck with the research. Jacqueline</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Sandy Fleming</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk">sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (07) [EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ron,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Using the Evolution email client that comes as standard with Ubuntu</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Linux & Gnu, no problems at all with anything.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
On my phone it's a different matter altogether, but I'm not bothered</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
about that :)</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888"><br>
Sandy Fleming (working on a new translation of The Wren, since I've<br>
discovered there's a language you haven't got...)<br>
<a href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a><br><br>----------<br><br></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Technica"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Beste Ron,</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br><div><div>You wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite">P.S.: The test again:<br>
<br><b>Sans Serif</b><br>Below is a string of "special" Roman characters (with diacritics and such):<br>
¡
¢ £ ¤ Â¥ Âœ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ¬ ¨ ¯ ° ± ” “ ´ µ ¶ â•¢ ¸ Â’ º » Âπ Â∏ Â≤ ¿ Õ Ù Ã≠ Ã∞ Ã≥
Ã∑ Ã∫ ÃΩ Ã√ Ã≈ Ã… × Ñ ß Ã⁄ Ã∂ Ã∆ ÃŒ Â Ä É à È Ø Ã˘ Ã˙ Ã˚ Ã˝ Ã˛ Ãˇ Ãı à à á â ã ä Ã¥ Ãœ ç è
é ê ë ì Ö î ï ð ñ Ô Ó ô õ ö ÷ ø Ã’ ú û Ãπ Ã∏ Ã≤ ÿ <br><br><b>Serif</b><br>
Below is a string of "special" Roman characters (with diacritics and such):<br>¡
¢ £ ¤ Â¥ Âœ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ¬ ¨ ¯ ° ± ” “ ´ µ ¶ â•¢ ¸ Â’ º » Âπ Â∏ Â≤ ¿ Õ Ù Ã≠ Ã∞ Ã≥
Ã∑ Ã∫ ÃΩ Ã√ Ã≈ Ã… × Ñ ß Ã⁄ Ã∂ Ã∆ ÃŒ Â Ä É à È Ø Ã˘ Ã˙ Ã˚ Ã˝ Ã˛ Ãˇ Ãı à à á â ã ä Ã¥ Ãœ ç è
é ê ë ì Ö î ï ð ñ Ô Ó ô õ ö ÷ ø Ã’ ú û Ãπ Ã∏ Ã≤ ÿ <br><br><b>Courier New</b><br>Below is a string of "special" Roman characters (with diacritics and such):<br>
¡
¢ £ ¤ Â¥ Âœ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ¬ ¨ ¯ ° ± ” “ ´ µ ¶ â•¢ ¸ Â’ º » Âπ Â∏ Â≤ ¿ Õ Ù Ã≠ Ã∞ Ã≥
Ã∑ Ã∫ ÃΩ Ã√ Ã≈ Ã… × Ñ ß Ã⁄ Ã∂ Ã∆ ÃŒ Â Ä É à È Ø Ã˘ Ã˙ Ã˚ Ã˝ Ã˛ Ãˇ Ãı à à á â ã ä Ã¥ Ãœ ç è
é ê ë ì Ö î ï ð ñ Ô Ó ô õ ö ÷ ø Ã’ ú û Ãπ Ã∏ Ã≤ ÿ <br><br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not working anymore. Unreadable.</div><div><br></div><div>Only
difference with last time seems to be that your message was not the
only one in this post. Trouble always seems to happen when a post
contains more than one message. The four good posts that I received
earlier on were all single-message posts. Could it be that the software
that you're using to edit messages and compose them into one post could
be the culprit? When dealing with more than one message (originating
from different platforms), it seems to get mixed up.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe we can test it like this. I will write 6 accented vowels first:</div><div><br></div><div>ü é ä ö à ê</div><div><br></div><div>You should then post this as a single-message post. I will check if I can still read my own accented vowels (probably will). </div>
<div><br></div><div>Next
you take this same test message and add a message of yourself (also
containing accented vowels). Again post it, and we'll see which
diacritics will survive.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind greetings,</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium</div></font></div></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (04) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> <mailto:</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: Technica<br>
<br>
I'll be b...! (I nearly used an Australian vulgarism.)<br>
<br>
Thanks for your prompt response, Luc. When you are happy, I am happy. ;-]<br>
<br>
But let's see if this wasn't a fluke. I *hope* it has been solved, but
all I did was switch from "Rich Format" to "Plain Text" and back to
"Rich Format". If this solved the problem the back-and-forth switch
must have removed some bugaboo somewhere. What do /you/ think, Marcus?<br>
</blockquote><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
What I said about the double line-break was nonsense. It's a multipart
message, the line-break needs to be there. The messages are sent out as
multipart alternative. That means they are sent out in two copies: one
is plain text and the other one is in HTML format. The plain text one
is encoded in ISO-8859-1 while the HTML one is encoded in UTF-8.
Perhaps this confuses some clients? Is there an option to send both in
UTF-8?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
<br>
Marcus Buck</font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: Technica</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thank you, everyone, also those of you that wrote to me privately.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">There's still some kind of gremlin somewhere. I've figured out that when I receive a copy of an issue myself and need to change the encoding to Unicode, that's when Luc </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">et al.</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> have problems. So something triggers this under certain circumstances.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I have appraised the good folks at LINGUIST of this and requested that they help me remove the footer. I have noticed that some of you receive =3D instead of = in the footer whenever the gremlin does his dirty work. I think we need to go back and restart with as few bells and whistles as possible. Should we add something to it later and this nonsense starts again, then we might actually what did it.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">My theory is that there's some glitch in the encoding that is translated as garbage on Macs.</span><br><br>Luc, whatever little it may be worth, I can assure you that I get all "special" character from you just fine.<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Thanks for your forbearance, everyone!</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Seattle, USA</span><br><br>P.S.: <br>Sandy:<br>
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">Sandy Fleming (working on a new translation of The Wren, since I've<br>
discovered there's a language you haven't got...)<br><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">What could it be, o mystery man? Actually, there are <i>many</i> languages we don't yet have.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</font>
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