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L O W L A N D S - L - 05 February 2010 - Volume 02<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Wolfram
Antepohl</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolfram@antepohl.se">wolfram@antepohl.se</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (08) [EN]</span><br>
<br>
Perfect evenemang using mail.app on the iPhone.<br>
Wolfram<br>
<br>
Skickat från min iPhone<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a></span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:victorie.a@home.nl">victorie.a@home.nl</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (08) [EN]</span><br>
<br>
Hello Reinhard,<br>
<br>
Allso on mij Nokia E75 the characters are perfect.<br>
<br>
Goodgaon,<br>
<br>
Arend Victorie<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 131, 145);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (01B) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yes, I can
read all of those.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Derby</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">England</span><br>
<br>
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">----------<br>
<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 131, 145);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (01C) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Yep, all
work for me.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul<br>
<br>
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<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 131, 145);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (06) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Now that's
weird; I can read all the characters in Ron's experiments, but <br>
<span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Tomás Ó Cárthaigh</span> clearly has characters
that I'm getting incorrectly.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Paul<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From:
Hannelore Hinz <<a href="mailto:HanneHinz@t-online.de" target="_blank">HanneHinz@t-online.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.05 (07) [EN]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="SV">Hallo Ron,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="SV"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="SV">nu hett dat klappt  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="SV"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">hier noch eins  (Nu heff
ick dat endlich begräpen, ick dacht' all, mien Brägen wier wat nusslich)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Hartlich Gräuten.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Hanne<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"><br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica"</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Beste Ron, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">I (almost)
wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Not working
anymore. Unreadable.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Only
difference with last time seems to be that your message was not the only one in
this post. Trouble always seems to happen when a post contains more than one
message. The four good posts that I received earlier on were all single-message
posts. Could it be that the software that you're using to edit messages and
compose them into one post could be the culprit? When dealing with more than
one message (originating from different platforms), it seems to get mixed up.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Maybe we
can test it like this. I will write 6 accented vowels first:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Ãπ
é ä ö à ê</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">You should
then post this as a single-message post. I will check if I can still read my
own accented vowels (probably will). </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Next you
take this same test message and add a message of yourself (also containing
accented vowels). Again post it, and we'll see which diacritics will survive.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Too bad,
you didn't first post my original message as a standalone single-message post,
so now we are not sure if your editing software is to blame.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Like
expected, the 6 accented characters that I wrote myself, turn out like
gibberish when my text is joined by other messages.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Kind
greetings,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Luc
Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
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<br>
Beste Ron,<br>
<br>
<br>
As you can clearly see below, this time I'm getting back my 6 accented vowels,
exactly like I sent them. But once you start adding other messages to mine
(coming from different platforms), your editing software gets mixed up and the
result is that the original author can no longer decipher his own words when
the message gets back to him.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
> Maybe we can test it like this. I will write 6 accented vowels first:<br>
></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">> ü é ä
ö à ê</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">><br>
> You should then post this as a single-message post. I will check if I can
still read my own accented vowels (probably will).<br>
></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">> Next
you take this same test message and add a message of yourself (also containing
accented vowels). Again post it, and we'll see which diacritics will survive.<br>
<br>
What's the name of the package? Maybe I can file a bug at their site.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Kindest greetings,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium<br>
</span><br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject: Technica<br>
<br>
I'm doing it in GMail (Google Mail), Luc. By all means write to them!<br>
<br>
I switched back and forth between HTML and plain text before composing the last
few issues. <br>
<br>
This time I will also paste it into Word and then copy and paste the whole
shebang into GMail again. I shouldn't have to do this, but it doesn't hurt
trying to see if we can pin it down to <i>sometime</i>.<br>
<br>
Regard,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA<br>
<br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Joachim Kreimer-de Fries</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:soz-red@jpberlin.de">soz-red@jpberlin.de</a>></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Technica" 2010.02.06 (1) [EN]</span><br>
<br>
Am 05.02.2010, 19:26 Uhr, R. F. Hahn scraif:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">For one
thing, as an experiment, I am sending this issue off in plain<br>
text rather than in HTML. (Joachim's example will come out the way he<br>
sent it, though.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Thank you, Reinhard,<br>
for experimenting it out! For my reading it is the best getting the messages as
plain text!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">This means
that no significant formatting is possible.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
I wonder what you mean with "significant formatting" which we might
miss in plain text. The elaborate seven headlines in 4 different fontcolours
and centered? I would joyously renounce it. And could be less rows, the
"Unicode (UTF-08) - Language Codes: …" indications being the only
useful. The other URLs can be found already in the hidden but invocable mail
header or can be put into the (in other respects compressable) footer. So the
headlines could be only:<br>
<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 05 February 2010 - Volume 01<br>
Encoding: Unicode (UTF-08) - Language Codes: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/codes.php" target="_blank">lowlands-l.net/codes.php</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">=================<br>
<br>
Reinhard continuing:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">The setting
is still Unicode.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Of course. And as we all could see, the special characters with diacritics and
such came out best readable when the message is sent as plain text.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦
§ ¨ © ª « ¬ ¬ ¬® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ • ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À Á  Ã<br>
Ä Å Æ Ç È É Ê Ë Ì Í Î Ï Ð Ñ Ò Ó Ô Õ Ö × Ø Ù Ú Û Ü Ý Þ ß à á â ã ä å æ<br>
ç è é ê ë ì í î ï ð ñ ò ó ô õ ö ÷ ø ù ú û ü ý þ ÿ<br>
Please let me know if you can read them.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
Just for the sake of completeness:<br>
All example strings sent untill now are well readable here, regardless of
plain-text or HTML mode and different fonts!<br>
<br>
But for my own ease and because of "net ecology" I strongly advocate
in general the getting and sending _plain text_ messages, especially in mailing
lists. (As a compromize concession I would be glad if the standard font in the
HTML would be set to serif.)<br>
<br>
Another alleviation would be, if the<br>
"Reply-To: <a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com" target="_blank">lowlands.list@gmail.com</a>"
mail header would be changed to the real posting address "<a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com" target="_blank">lowlands.list@gmail.com</a>",
so that klicking "reply" would put this correct address into the To:-
field already …<br>
<br>
Met echt-westfœlsken »Goutgaun!«<br>
joachim<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">--<br>
Kreimer-de Fries<br>
Osnabrügge => Berlin-Pankow<br>
MacBook Pro intel OSX 10.4.11 Tiger</span><br style="">
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