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From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Diederik Masure</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Members" 2010.02.18 (02) [EN-NDS]</span><br>
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Re Joachim (on somtiids): </span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Al these
forms occur in Antwerpian and I'm sure in most Brabantish dialects. Modern
Standard Dutch uses only "soms", the other forms sound very archaic.
But next to "soems" dialect speakers will still use
"soemteds" (or full "soemtijds"), "soemwijle",
which also occurs in reduced form as "sewijle" (more on the
countryside I think) or "swijle" (also in the city). </span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Since
dialect is degenerating here too, these will sound archaic in dialect for many
younger speakers as well, of course. But still less archaic as in the standard
language, where they sound more like something from hundreds of years ago, not
like something that's from 50 years ago like it often sounds in dialect. </span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Greets, </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Diederik</span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br>
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Dear Lowlanders,<br>
<br>
It seems to me that "some" and its cognates descended with the
earlier meaning of "some" in the sense of "some unspecified
item/place/time" and that the meaning "an unspecified
number/amount" developed later, particularly in English (e.g. “Let’s have
some cake!”, "Some people have no manners"). This may have been
preceded by the meaning "any" or "every" as in Sanskrit.<br>
<br>
Indo-European: *s<font size="1"><sup>e</sup></font>mo<br>
Sanskrit: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";" lang="HI">सम</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="HI"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">(sama) ‘any’, ‘every’<br>
Greek: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";" lang="IT">ἁ</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="IT">μο</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">- (hamo-) ‘some-’ (*s- > Greek h-
is regular.)<br>
Germanic: *suma(z)<br>
Gothic: sums<br>
Old Norse: sumr (Icelandic: sumur, Scandinavian: sum, som)<br>
Old Saxon: sum (Middle: sum, som, Modern: sömmig)<br>
Old Frisian: sum (Mod. W: sommig, somlik, Mod. N.: som)<br>
Old English: sum<br>
Old Low Frankish: ? (Middle Dutch: som, zom)<br>
Old German: sum (Middle: sum, Modern dial.: sum, som, söm, sommig)<br>
<br>
Apparently there is not connection between this and "same", <i>samen</i>,
etc. (in the sense of 'together', 'equal', etc.)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</span></p>
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