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===============================================<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "History" 2010.02.23 (06) [DE-EN]<br><br></span><div id=":31" class="ii gt">
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: Joachim
<<a href="mailto:Osnabryg%2BLowlands@googlemail.com" target="_blank">Osnabryg+Lowlands@googlemail.com</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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LL-L "History" 2010.02.23 (05) [EN, DE]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Colonies of
Charlemagne's deported Saxon families in Flanders & ?</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi again,
Lowlanders,</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">Am 22.02.2010, 20:49, hadde ik scriewen:</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">Am 22.02.2010 ümme 00:02 scraif Luc
Hellinckx:</div>
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Joachim, You wrote:
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Osnabrügge (a place where Widukint is
still alive) => Berlin-Pankow</div>
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<div style="font-size: 17px;">oops, it was a spontaneous addition
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By
doing some search for this post, I came to a website which' political
and historical seriousness I cannot judge and have no time to explore.
But there's an assertion in, for which I would be interested to have
affirmations or disproof about, if someone knows somewhat about this. On</div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.deutschland-im-mittelalter.de/karl-krieg-sachsen.php" target="_blank">http://www.deutschland-im-mittelalter.de/karl-krieg-sachsen.php</a></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">is written:</div>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 14px; text-align: justify;" align="justify"><font style="font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; color: rgb(11, 0, 0);" color="#0b0000" size="4">Wittekind
ließ sich hierauf taufen, und viele tausend Sachsen folgten seinem
Beispiel freiwillig. Viele tausend andere wurden heerdenweise mit dem
Schwerte in die Flüsse getrieben, und empfingen eine wahre Nottaufe.
Dies geschah im Jahre 786. Aber erst 18 Jahre darauf, im Jahre 804,
wurde es in dem Lande ganz ruhig, denn noch immer machten die
heidnischen Sachsen dem König der Franken viel zu schaffen. Um sie
leichter in Gehorsam zu erhalten, <b>ließ Karl 10,000 sächsische
Familien nach Flandern, Frankreich und Italien versetzen, wodurch eine
Menge deutscher Kolonien in diesen Ländern entstanden.</b> In Sachsen
legte er Burgen und Bischofssitze an, aus denen nach und nach Städte
wurden, wie Magdeburg, Halle, Bremen, Münster und Osnabrück.
(Accentuation by me)</font></p>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Has anybody
knowledge of such
early import/colonization of flemish (or french or italian) territories
by Saxon, caused by Charlemagne's deportation?</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It interests me
in the context of the controversiale issue of "Saxon-LowFranconian
dialect continuum".</div>
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I have heard about this claim too. Until now I have not come across
actual evidence that this is true. But it could be true anyways. If it
is true, I guess, we shouldn't speak about "colonies". Rather single
settlements in otherwise non-Saxon regions. Charlemagne wanted to
render the Saxons innocuous so he had no interest to create compact
Saxon settlement areas. I guess the single Saxon settlements were quite
quickly assimilated.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
According to de.Wikipedia legend claims that Frankfurt-Sachsenhausen
was settled by Saxons deported by Charlemagne. But the article also
states that there is no historical evidence for this.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
What _did_ exist were Saxon settlements in France. But these predate
Charlemagne. See
</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassen_in_Gallien" target="_blank"><http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassen_in_Gallien></a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Marcus Buck</span><br>
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