<div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">===============================================<br><b>L O W L A N D S - L - 10 March 2010 - Volume 02</b><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com">lowlands.list@gmail.com</a> - <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/">http://lowlands-l.net/</a></span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Posting: <a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org">lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org</a></span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Archive: <a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html</a></span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Encoding: Unicode (UTF-08)</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Language Codes: <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/codes.php">lowlands-l.net/codes.php</a></span><br>
===============================================<br></font></div><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Jonny</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="gI"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.09 (05) [EN]</span><br><br></span></font><div id=":xg" class="ii gt">
<div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>Beste Paul (Anis),
Ron,</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>you corresponded
about the Yiddish influence on modern American English and the partly German
roots of this dialect. Very interesting, Ron, your eludication about
the origin of the German idiom "Guten Rutsch!".</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>Now my
questions.</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>1. Recently I read
the Dutch word <strong><em>"</em></strong></span><span><strong><em>lawaai</em></strong> <strong><em>", </em></strong>meaning 'noise'. What do you
think - is it of Latin/Franconian origin, perhaps a derivation from Lat.
'clamare' (to shout, to call), or could it be Yiddish, perhaps
Bargoens?</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>2. The second
is the common German word(-family) <strong><em>"Murks"</em></strong>
(bad, faulty work) and <strong><em>"abmurksen"</em></strong> (to kill
so. in a cruel, 'unprofessional' method). I cannot find any clear and
sustainable roots in German and its ancestors.</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>Could it stand
within coherence with the Jewish custom called 'Schächten', which means the
kosher butchering to kill an animal in a very ritual manner. As far as I know
only special educated people are allowed to do it; so, if an amateur tried it,
it could have become cruel, a 'Murks'?! How else to explain the association
of 'bad work' and 'kill'?</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>Just
ideas... .</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2">Allerbest!</font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2">Jonny Meibohm</font></div>
<div align="left"><font style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" face="Courier New" size="2">Lower Saxony, Germany</font><font size="2"><br></font></div></div>
</div><font size="2"><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><br><br>Hi, Jonny, Lowlanders!<br><br>Interesting questions there.<br><br>The origin of Dutch <i>lawaai</i> 'noise', 'racket' is apparently considered unclear. Some have suspected it of going back to Hebrew <i>lĕwa(’)y</i> (לְוַ(א)י) 'oh, would that ...!' or 'If only ...!'. Personally, I am wondering if it came via the Bargoens cant and Yiddish (<i>levaye</i>) from Hebrew <i>lĕwāyāh</i> (לְוָיָה) 'funeral' (an occasion of loud wailing). Of course I consider it possible that the two Hebrew words are etymologically linked.<br>
<br>According to the <i>Herkunftsduden</i>, <i>Murks</i> and <i>murksen</i> come from the dialectical German <i>Murk</i> 'clot', 'hunk' > 'boy' (diminutive <i>Murkel</i>). I guess the implication was that work was done badly by a young apprentice.<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br><br></font><div style="text-align: center;"><font size="2"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">===================================================</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Send posting submissions to <a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org">lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>.</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Send commands (including "signoff lowlands-l") to</span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.linguistlist.org">listserv@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> or <a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com">lowlands.list@gmail.com</a></span><br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><a href="http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html">http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html</a>.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">===================================================</span><br></font>
</div>