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===============================================<br></font></div><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jonny</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="gI"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "History" 2010.03.13 (03) [DE-EN-NDS]</span><br><br></span></font><div id=":1cr" class="ii gt">
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<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>Beste Luc and
Ron,</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>concerning Hanne's
story about the 'Ring des Frangipani' we came upon
this:</span></font></div>
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<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span><font color="#008000">(Jonny):</font></span><span></span></font></div>
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<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font color="#008000" size="2"><span>Nee, weit gefehlt: ein österreichisch-kroatisch-ungarischer
Duodez-Fürst von der schlechteren Sorte, verdeutscht auch "Frankopan"
('fränkischer Herr'??).</span></font></div>
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</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="#008080" size="2"><span>(Luc):</span></font></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im">
<div><font size="2"><span></span><font color="#008080">No
apparent link with the Franks as far as I can see. The "Frangipani"
family was
named after the act of breaking the bread (proof of being a devout
Christian?),
"frangere il pane" in Italian.</font></font></div>
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</div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font color="#008080" size="2"><span>(Ron):</span></font></div><div class="im">
<div><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Arial"><span></span><font color="#008080">In later, Slavic-speaking
times the folk etymology of "Frankish lord" may have
arisen.</font></font><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"> </font></div></div></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>This 'Franko-pan' to 'fränkischer
Herr' was just a
slight idea of mine; their official title was "Ban" (of Kroatia), which
was roughly on the level of a 'Markgraf' / 'margrave'.</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>But - if they were
of Italian origin - I wonder: why did they use Middle (High) German?
Just
as a very simple, intimate type of cryptography, as shown in the
inscription <em><strong>"myt wyllen dyn
eygen"?</strong></em> I suppose it was their mother
tongue!</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>There are some more
indications within the book showing that they partly felt as "Germans",
in
special as far as their language is concerned. German, so you will read
there, was their "private" language, 'for women's use only ;-)',
because the Ladies were not well educated in Latin. For official
purposes they used a 'modernized', middle-aged, somehow Italianic
sounding Latin (or was it Old Italian?).</span></font></div>
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<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span>Mysterious story,
unexplainable Balkan!</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2"><span></span>Allerbest!</font> </div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2">Jonny Meibohm</font></div>
<div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" align="left"><font size="2"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Lower Saxony, Germany</span></font><font size="2"><br></font></div></div>
</div><font size="2"><br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: R.
F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: History<br><br>Thanks, Jonny.<br><br>Middle German?! For some reason I was assuming that it was Middle Saxon ("Middle Low German") and that that was the reason for which we are discussing this on Lowlands-L.<br>
<br>Jonny, it's by assumption that the Croatian branch spoke either Old or Middle Italian or Dalmatian. Dalmatian is a now extinct Romance language that dominated what nowadays is (mostly coastal) Southern Croatia. (For instance, it was the language of Ragusa, today's Dubrovnik.) Apparently, many Italians lived there as well.</font></font><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Please also bear in mind that Northwestern Croatia has been having a lot of contact with both Italy and Austria (as well as Hungarian), and that Croatian minorities have been present in both Italy and Austria for a long time.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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