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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.09 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Getelands has the word </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">nassen, </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">meaning,
when referring to pigs, "feed from the trough". Middle Dutch knew </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">nasschen<br><br>Kind regards,<br></span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Roger
Hondshoven</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Diest (East-Brabant) Belgium</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Anisman</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:panisman@gmail.com">panisman@gmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.11 (03) [DE-EN-NDS]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ron - A bit of a "stale" post at this point, but, after several
days
(changed email address, etc.) I did manage to get a hold of
Leybl....asked him if he ever heard "halevay" used as a noun. He
and I both concur that we never have.<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">--Paul</div>
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div>
<font size="2">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br></font>
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<div><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">Subject:
Etymology<br>
<br>
Thanks, Hanne.<br>
<br>
This <i>Lawei</i> ([lɒˈvaˑɪ]), though meaning 'face' here, is rather
interesting because it occurs also in the alternative form of <i>Allewei</i>
([ʔaleˈvaˑɪ]).<br>
<br>
About Dutch <i>lawaai</i> 'noise' I had written:<br>
<br>
</font>
<div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">The origin
of Dutch <i>lawaai</i> 'noise', 'racket' is apparently considered
unclear. Some have suspected it of going back to Hebrew <i>lĕwa(’)y</i>
(לְוַ(א)י) 'oh, would that ...!' or 'If only ...!'. Personally, I am
wondering if it came via the Bargoens cant and Yiddish (<i>levaye</i>)
from Hebrew <i>lĕwāyāh</i>
(לְוָיָה) 'funeral' (an occasion of loud wailing). Of course I consider
it possible that the two Hebrew words are etymologically linked.</font><font size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><br>
This Hebrew </font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><i>lĕway</i>
(לְוַי) 'oh, would that ...!' or 'If only ...!', 'May it come to pass!'
</font><font size="2">also has the alternative forms </font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><i>halĕway</i>
(הַלְוַי)</font><font size="2"> and </font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><i>alĕway</i>
(</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">אַ</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">לְוַי</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">)</font><font size="2">! <i>Alevay</i> is a standard interjection in this sense in
Yiddish, Yinglish and Yeshivish.<br>
<br>
(Leybl <i>et al.</i>, please help me out here! Can't <i>alevay</i> be
used as a Yiddish noun referring to loud calls, <i>geshrey</i> to
implore G-d?)<br>
<br>
I understand that Low Saxon <i>Lawai</i> ~ <i>Allewei</i> are
colloquialisms along the lines of "gop", "mug" or so for "face" in
English. What do "face" (Low Saxon) and "noise" (Dutch) have in common?
Screaming!<br>
</font></div>
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<font size="2">----------<br><br>From: </font><span><font size="2">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></font></span><br><span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">Subject:
Etymology<br><br>Hi, Paul!</font></span><br><br>Thanks a lot for that effort. I truly appreciate it.<br><br>For some reason I had this vague notion that I read in Yiddish literature references to things like "there was much alevay". But perhaps maybe I'm remembering it wrong. This wouldn't be the first time.<br>
<font size="2"><br>Take care!<br><br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br></font></div></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">===================================================<br style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">
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