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===============================================<br></font></div><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Diederik Masure</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:didimasure@hotmail.com">didimasure@hotmail.com</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.15 (03) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">It </span><em style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">is from </em><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hamburg itself actually, it is what the mayor of
Hamburg Joachim Bechendorff supposedly said at King Christian 4.s
"hylding"/"indtog" (official entrance?) </span><strong style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">30 october 1603 </strong><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">in St.
Peters Church. Hamburg indeed claimed to be a free city not being
obligated to do so, due to a previous count Albrecht af Orlemunde
selling the inhabitants the city for 1500 golden mark (1364) -
but Christian didn't accept the legalty of this sale since the count
wasn't legally allowed to sell lands in 'lehn' with him; and the
German emperor Carl had agreed with this claim in 1368 already that the
Hamburgians officially had to obey the counts of Holsteen; so now they
had to organise the entrance of Christian; altho he was the last Danish
king to do so. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Thanks for all the info tho! </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888" size="2">
<br>
Diederik</font><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Jonny</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span class="gI"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.15 (03) [EN]</span><br><br></span></font><div style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" id=":10n" class="ii gt">
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<div><font size="2"><span>Beste
Diederik,</span></font></div><div class="im">
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span>you
wrote:</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span><span><font color="#008080"><strong>Would
those "High German" consonants be influence of an
early HG written language influence, or would they actually already be
spreading
into urban LS speech in those times? We're talking late 1500's here.
especially
in suffixes like -lich and -heit they seem to occur (and formal words
like
'sachen') so that would rather be a written language-influence or is
that a
wrong assumption?</strong></font> </span></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
</div><div><font size="2"><span>I think you're
pretty right here - it should be the influence of written language,
perhaps as
an early result of Luthers translation of the bible into HG!</span></font></div><div class="im">
<div><font size="2"><span><font color="#008080"><span><strong></strong></span></font></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span><font color="#008080"><span><strong>Is
"nachdem" a LS word or would that be HG
written language?</strong></span></font></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
</div><div><font size="2"><span>The
second...</span></font></div><div class="im">
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span><font color="#008080"><span><strong>"Nun"
also seems HG to me or is it a LS word as
well?</strong></span></font></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
</div><div><font size="2"><span>In our todays
dialect we would use it as "nu'", but it I think it is of HG
origin.</span></font></div><div class="im">
<div><font size="2"><span><font color="#008080"><strong></strong></font></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span><font color="#008080"><strong>Is the
Suffix -schaft (börgerschafft) also LS or does
LS have -schap like Dutch?</strong></font></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
</div><div><font size="2"><span>LS has -schopp or
-schapp.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span>As far as your
further questions are concerned I fully agree with Ron.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span>Hope, this will
help you.</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2">Allerbest!</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2">Jonny Meibohm</font></div>
<div align="left"><font size="2">Lower Saxony, Germany</font><font size="2"><br></font></div></div>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span>Diederik
and Jonny,<br>
<br>
<i>Nu</i> for ‘now’ is perfectly Saxon (though it can occur in German dialects as
well), and <i>nun</i> is German.<br>
<br>
Old Saxon: nū<br>
Middle Saxon: nu</span></font></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span>Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA<br></span></font></p>
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