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===============================================<br></font></div><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.14 (04) [EN]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Hi Ron,</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">I disagree that "</font><font size="2">There <b>is</b> <u>a </u><span><u><b>number</b></u></span><span><u> of</u> books on the
shelf" is ungrammatical. "Number" is singular so
strictly that is the correct form, if you wanted to be pedantic about
it. Most people would still probably say "are" though. In fact nearly
all of those forms would be used by many different people even in
"educated" speech, and wouldn't really stand out as wrong, other than "There <b>is</b> <u>a <b>few</b></u> books on the shelf,
which has an odd ring to it. </span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span></span> </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span>Paul</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span>Derby</span></font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><span>England<br><br>----------</span><br></font></div><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.16 (03) [EN]<br><br></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: Jonny <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" target="_blank">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<mailto:</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" target="_blank">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a></font><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" id=":zj" class="ii gt">
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*Is the Suffix -schaft (börgerschafft) also LS or does LS have -schap
like Dutch?*</font><div class="im"><font size="2"><br>
LS has -schopp or -schapp.<br></font>
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Until a few moments ago I was convinced that "schap/schop/schup" is
Saxon and "schaft" is a German loan. I wanted to add that some Low Saxon
dialects have completely incorporated the loan "schaft" and don't even
know "schap/schop/schup" anymore.<br><br>
But then I looked into my etymological dictionary (to look up whether
"schap, "schop" or "schup" is the original form [it's "schap"]) and
discovered that "schaft" is actually _both_ Low Saxon _and_ German and
no loan. "schaft" is derived from "schap" + "ti" suffix and "schapti"
developed into "schaft" cause the sound pattern "pt" is phonotactically
avoided (this is independant of the High German sound shift "p" to "f"
as in "schâp" -> "schâf"). Old English had "sceaft" (besides
unsuffixed "scipe" which developed into modern "ship").</font>
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So "börgerschaft" is not necessarily a loan.</font>
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Marcus Buck</font></div><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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