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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 19 March 2010 - Volume 01</b><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Jonny</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.18 (03)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Thanks very much, Diederik,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">for your investigations
about 'kalv':</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: "Courier New"; color: teal;">It's
meaning 2 you're looking for, it says litterally "smaller island or water
next to bigger one(s?); piece of glacier that has broken off". </span></strong><b><span style="font-family: "Courier New"; color: teal;"><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">So the general idea seems to be
"smaller piece next to a bigger entity", be it a lake, an island, or
a glacier. </span></strong><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">I suppose in this meaning it's
related to the Dutch verb "afkalven", "geleidelijk afbrokkelen
(m.n. van oevers)". Hard to translate this one to English but it's
something like "slow but steadily breaking down (of (river)bank)". </span></strong><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">I guess they thought the small
islands surrounding a bigger one had originally broken off the bigger one.</span></strong></span></b><span style="font-family: "Courier New";"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">I think THAT'S IT! Of course
- no connection to any calf or cow at all! And interesting is - important part
of my hobby etymological experiences - that, in special the near-by Dutch
relation, as it occures very often if you want to succeed in LS, is able to
lift the mysterious 'fog'!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Allerbest and thanks again!
Very, very useful, helpful and enlightening all conclusions to find out the old
roots of specifically, micro-located naval designations! All the nonsense and
"Google-proven-" or "we've learned it at school-"-attestes about
ridicule "dancing calves" definitely should end at this point!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">With best regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Jonny Meibohm</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Lower Saxony, Germany</span></p>
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From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 96);">Theo
Homan</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:theohoman@yahoo.com">theohoman@yahoo.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.18 (03)
[DE-EN-NDS-NN]</span><br>
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From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marcus Buck</span> <<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org" target="_blank">list@marcusbuck.org</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.17 (07) [EN]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">[...]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Sometimes
coincidence is remarkable. Just some days ago I stumbled upon an entry in Cirk
Heinrich Stürenburg's Ostfriesisches Wörterbuch "Kalv: eingestürzte
Uferstrecke". I asked about it on <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Auskunft/Archiv/2010/Woche_09#kalben" target="_blank"><http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Auskunft/Archiv/2010/Woche_09#kalben></a>.
And I created a Wikipedia article about it: <a href="http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalv_%28Toponym%29" target="_blank"><http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalv_%28Toponym%29></a>.
So the basic meaning is a smaller island near a bigger island. And if we
abstract a bit more and combine the different meanings (young of a cow,
broken-off part of a bank, small island) we get something like "a small
mass that came from a bigger mass".<br>
<br>
I don't think "Kalberdanz" is related. I read an entry
"Kalverdanz" in one of my dictionaries (I'm not sure which one, I'll
try to look it up) and it said that the "Kalverdanz" is a region in
the Elbe mouth that is named for it's
roughness. So if you cross it with a boat it's like a calf dancing (that's what
I remember of the explanation, I will post the real text if I find the
dictionary and entry). <br>
<br>
I too thought about "Hanskalbsand" when I found aforementioned entry
in Stürenburg's dictionary. I couldn't find any etymological data about it, but
I made some wild speculations: If "Hanskalbsand" is related to the
"kalv" group of island names, then "Hanskalv" is the base
and "Hanskalbsand" is the sand that was left when the island "Hanskalv"
was washed away by the Elbe river. Nearby we
have the island "Hahnöfersand". The "öfer" part seems to be
Low Saxon "Över", German "Ufer" (English 'shore'). If
"sand" again is a secondary addition we have "Hahnöver",
the shore of some geographic entity named "Hahn". So maybe
"Hanskalv" should be "Hahnskalv" the smaller island near
the bigger island of "Hahn" (or the other way round
"Hahnöferand" should rather be "Hanöfersand").<br>
[...]<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Cp. dutch: 'afkalven' = wash away in the water.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://vr.gr/" target="_blank">vr.gr</a>.<br>
Theo Homan</span></p>
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