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From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">M.-L.
Lessing</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.19 (02) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">A very distant and probably
questionable connection of thought: In Hamburg the family name
"Klobedanz" exists. I know people of this name. "kleven,
kleben"...? Is this an older form of "Kalverdanz"?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE">Hartlich</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="DE">Marlou</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;" lang="DE">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DE">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;" lang="DE">></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Subject: Etymology<br>
<br>
Very interesting, Marcus.<br>
Germanic names for ‘calf’ (*<i>kalba-</i>) are supposed to be related to
Indo-European *<i>geleb<sup>h</sup>-</i> etc. ‘to mass together’, ‘to
agglomerate’, ‘to cluster’, ‘to ball together’ (probably related to “cleave”, <i>kleven</i>,
<i>kleben</i> etc.). In other words, I guess, a calf is seen as a little
fluff-ball. I suppose this idea of “ball” is also why we have ‘calf (of the
leg)’ in English, denoting this pronounced muscle bulge at the back of the
lower leg (Dutch <i>kuit</i>, Low Saxon <i>Wad’</i>, German <i>Wade</i>).<br>
<br>
So I wonder if the idea about this broken-off piece of shore (or seemingly
broken off islet) stems from the perception of it as an earthen protrusion
(aggregate, agglomeration) that affects the water flow (to create some
turbulence) and thereby makes a passing boat “dance”. This would have led to a
connection with the more understandable meaning of <i>Kalverdanz</i> as ‘calf’s
dance’, the silly hopping that frolicking calves tend to perform. This, in
turn, may have been connected with the biblical extension Hanne mentioned: the
dance around the golden calf of the erring (silly) Israelites.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</span></p>
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<span class="gi">----------</span><br>
<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Mark
Dreyer</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.19 (02) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Dear
Marcus, Jonny, Ron, Hanne & All:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:
LL-L "Etymology"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Re: Calving.</span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">"</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">So the general idea
seems to be "smaller piece next to a bigger entity", be it a lake, an
island, or a glacier."</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">This
is a wonderful string, though I have had little to contribute, & I have
been keenly following it.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">It
seems to me that metaphor is not given due consideration in the
development of language, & this is an example.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">I
note that an iceberg will 'calve' in Nautical English too. Plainly this
expression as well as the term 'iceberg' itself was borrowed from the
Nederlands, whose speakers preceded the English into the Arctic Sea
& taught them all they know of sailing besides.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">I
never gave the matter much thought myself. From early childhood, to call a
little thing of whatever in close proximity to another of the same kind
but larger a the 'calf' of the larger was too obvious to miss.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">However
we do say in Afrikaans of something that is completely broken, but in no sense
that can in any degree be associated with the procreation of bovines,"Dis
heeltemaal gekalf." </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="NL">Reference : Kalf;
werkwoord; ge- die wegbrokkel van grond, kalwe(r). (Verklarende
Afrikaanse Woordeboek. Kritzinger, Labuschagne & Pienaar). Semantic
convergence, I would have guessed, & your guesses have manifestly had more
substance than mine.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;" lang="NL"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">May
I add something? In the Taal, to nurture something
alien by hand, for example an orphaned lamb, piglet or calf, or even a
baby, makes it a 'hansversie', hansvarkie or 'hanslam'. Kids get to be called
'hanslam' also, as in "...my hanslammetjie Eben, oorle ousus se
oudste." (...my bottle-fed lamb Eben, my departed elder sister's oldest.)
Of course properly speaking, someone adopted is 'aangeneem' - (Taken on =
adopted) but that wanders off the subject. The implication of 'hans-' in this
context is 'hand-reared', & by implication, the work of human hands
(kunsmatig grootgemaak) & not a natural phenomenon.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Now,
if I, as a yachtsman cruising on the Elbe, had
to understand the name 'Hanskalbersand' quickly, I would start
by wondering if this was a man-made breakwater off-shore of a tidal
sandspit. Now you blokes in that part of the World know a lot more about
engineering in tidal waters than we do, but what would you name a dredged
breakwater offshore of tidal flats? By my reading a seriously necessary
construction in navigated tidal waters.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Yrs,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Mark</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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<br>
From: <span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Uwe
Tychsen</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:tychsen@t-online.de">tychsen@t-online.de</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.03.19 (01) [EN]</span><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";">Hej,<br>
<br>
dansk wikipedia <br>
<a href="http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalv" target="_blank">http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalv</a><br>
skriver om kalv som ø:</span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA">Kalv</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA"> er en </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";"><a href="http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sm%C3%A5%C3%B8" target="_blank" title="Småø"><span style="" lang="DA">småø</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA">.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA">Navnet <b>kalv</b> hentyder til, at småøen
naturligt tilhører (er et barn af) et større stykke land.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA">En gletsjer kælver. Det er samme ord som bruges, når der fødes en kalv. En
smuk video findes i <br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";"><a href="http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Iceberg_calving_320x240_by_Slaunger_2007-08-23.ogg" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DA">http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Iceberg_calving_320x240_by_Slaunger_2007-08-23.ogg</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA"><br>
<br>
norsk wikipedia <br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";"><a href="http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isbre" target="_blank"><span style="" lang="DA">http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isbre</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA"><br>
skriver:<br>
Isbreer kan ha utløpere i havet. Ved iskanten vil da isblokker kalve i havet
(dvs. brekke løs) og danne </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";"><a href="http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isfjell" target="_blank" title="Isfjell"><span style="" lang="DA">isfjell</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";" lang="DA"> som flyter vekk. Hvis isbreen er bratt nær iskanten, kan
ras og kalving ovenfra gi store plask når isblokker faller ned i sjøen. Hvis
vannet er dypt, kan også kalving skje under vann, noe som medfører at isfjellet
kommer til overflaten med stor kraft. <br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";">Ik wünsch ju wat<br>
Uwe Tychsen</span></p>
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