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From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marcus Buck</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Language politics" 2010.04.04 (01)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Sandy Fleming</span> <<a href="mailto:sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk</a>><br style="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2010.04.03 (02) [EN]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">> From: Hellinckx Luc
<<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Language politics"<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">> Completely agree. In my
book, banning words ranks even more ridiculous<br>
> as banning a certain type of "clothing" (not the lack thereof
;=)) or<br>
> banning "gestures". Seems that some people mistake the right of
using<br>
> words, for ownership. They treat a language as if it's some sort of<br>
> territory where immigration officers should constantly keep an eye on<br>
> "illegal" import.</span></p>
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I wonder if there can be a tragic irony in this sort of thing?<br>
<br>
What effect does banning words actually have? I suspect that words could<br>
gain much wider recognition from being banned so that instead of just<br>
being this decade's slang they might become a permanent part of the<br>
language?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 6pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Is
there actually any example from history where a country or a society tried to
ban words? I assume that "banning" means a law prohibiting the use of
a word. In Germany
e.g. there are laws that prohibit to say e.g. "Heil Hitler" in
public, but I guess that's not the type of law that is meant.<br>
France
has Loi Toubon which regulates language. But Loi Toubon doesn't ban any words,
it just regulates commercial signage and is meant as a service to customers.
E.g. if you use an English slogan in an ad you have to provide a French
translation so everybody can understand it (that's the basic idea, of course
there are some flaws with the law, for example if it comes to the role of
languages like Breton, Basque or Occitan).<br>
And every country in the world has some laws that stop you from yelling
"asshole" to a cop.<br>
<br>
But I don't know of any law ever where there was a list of words whose use is
unlawful independant from context.<br>
<br>
@Luc: Banning the lack of clothing can be culturally invasive too. Take Indonesia as an
example. Indonesia made laws
that prohibited to expose certain body parts similar to the laws about public
exposure that exist in Europe. The laws make
sense in the Malaiic parts of the country but they were indirectly aimed at the
peoples of Western New Guinea where
toplessness and wearing penis gourds are part of the traditional cultures.<br>
<br>
Marcus Buck</span></p>
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