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From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Language politics"</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gi"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Beste Marcus,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">You wrote:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">I guess that's in the same category as the German ban on "Heil
Hitler" and other Nazi slogans. Assuming the court decision is correct. I
have no personal opinion because I cannot judge a statement in a language I
know nothing about.<br>
<br>
Previously you called word bans "ridiculous". I guess word bans on
hate speech (or supposed hate speech) do not fall under this, or am I wrong?</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Personally, I would never
ban any words, even if they are intended to express hatred. Why?</p>
<ul style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I find it very difficult, nigh impossible, to enforce such a law.
The meanings of different combinations of words can vary so wildly that
it's technically impossible to draw a semantically objective line. I
consider it undesirable that the slightest malign intent is taken to
court. </li><li class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">First a person may feel hatred. Then there's words, which may serve
to fuel the hatred. If you make the words illegal, the hatred is not going
to vanish suddenly. Let's say I'm in love with somebody, and I can't stop
talking about my beloved one. Suppose a distant uncle doesn't like her,
and forbids me to ever use her name again in his presence. Do you think
this will stop me from thinking about her?</li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Uttered words can reveal intent of some sort. Intent borders
fantasy, and is therefore essentially not an act of crime in my opinio</span>n.</li></ul>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">We're talking about a
"Grauzone" here (<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grauzone_%28Recht%29" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grauzone_(Recht)</a>).
The tongue is also sharper than the sword, that's why I would never fight a
word with a sword (read "court"). I know we used to distinguish
between libel and slander, defamation and vilification. Or even calumniation.
Now that society is becoming more and more horizontal, it's time to update the
criminal code as well. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Besides, if some words are
forbidden, the action easily shifts to other areas. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Speaking of
"shifting"...you can take this literally these days in Brussels, where some
youngsters play cat and mouse games with coppers. First they put something on
fire, then they pour oil on the streets leading to the square. Policecars
rushing to the scene all go into a skid and bump into other cars, while the
guys are watching from a distance, laughing their hats off. What about
imitating officers or other people? Humor? Irony? Also blacklisted?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Like I wrote earlier on, I'm
also skeptic about banning gestures. Apparently, the nazi-salute is illegal in Germany, but
not when used in an artistic context. Mmm...what if actors of extreme-right
affiliation want to bring some irony into their play? Or are artists by
definition lefties? ;=)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Kind greetings,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Luc Hellinckx,
Halle, Belgium</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Howard Scott</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:howliosta@gmail.com">howliosta@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Language politics" 2010.03.30 (03)
[EN-FR]</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gi"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">2010/3/30 Lowlands-L List <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com"><span style="" lang="FR">lowlands.list@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">>:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
> Parlez français : ne dites plus « buzz », dites
« ramdam »</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
> Les « francomots » choisis ont été dévoilés hier à Paris : « bolidage »
pour</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
> « tuning », « éblabla » et « tchatche » ex-aequo pour « chat », « ramdam »</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
> pour « buzz », « infolettre », sagement, pour « newsletter », et « débat »</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
> pour « talk ». Deux mots inventés
pour quatre existants.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
This article sounds like a hoax (or perhaps very bad journalism). For</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
example, there has been a word in French for "chat" for a long time:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"bavardage," which was invented in </span>Quebec<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> (as was "courriel"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
("courrier électronique") for "e-mail," and which slowly
seems to be</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
making inroads in the rest of the French-speaking world).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
According to </span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messagerie_instantan%C3%A9e" target="_blank">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messagerie_instantan%C3%A9e</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
the term was first proposed by the Office québécois de la langue</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
française in October 1997 and it entered the Petit Larousse in 2004.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Why reinvent the wheel?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
(Another great </span>Quebec<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
invention is "baladodiffusion" for "podcasting.")</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Yes, there are restrictions on languages other than French are</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
commercial signs in Quebec, but persuasion and developing usable terms</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
have been much effective in promotion the use of French.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
(The "language police" someone mentioned is a fabrication. Yes, there</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
are bureaucrats who investigate complaints, but they are no more</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"language police" than the people who check your income tax return
are</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
"tax police.")</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>
Howard Scott<br>
Montréal, Québec</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"><br style="">
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