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From: <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Niels Winther </span><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">nielswinther@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Keamer.<br>
<br>
>From John Walter "Understanding popular violence in the English
Revolution"<br>
<br>
page 248:<br>
<br>
... the clothiers indeede care not how many workmen there bee of weavers and
Keamers [combers] ...<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Niels</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">----------</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" lang="SV">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Jonny</span></span></span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi"> </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.04.19 (01) [DE-EN-NDS]</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="SV"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">Beste Reinhard,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: teal;">Great minds think alike, don’t they?</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much
for this great compliment!</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Well - sometimes a
pedestrian, basical, but investigating thinking is a useful appendix to 'high
education'; a solid 'Wortschatz' (=vocabulary) added to some interest for the
surrounding world can be helpful even for real 'Great Minds'. And don't forget:
the "look over the fence" is the main principle of LL-L.</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">But a patient but sceptical,
very open-minded and well educated teacher who cares around us (I'm talking
about the individual R.F. Hahn) is necessary for the completion.</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Allerbest!</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Jonny
Meibohm</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Lower </span>Saxony, Germany</span></p>
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<br>
From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Subject:
Etymology</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Thanks, Jonny. Lest this blossoms
into an even more outrageous mutual admiration society, let me explain that the
phrase “Great minds think alike” is often used in a facetious way, and the surest
sign of that is when the speaker includes him- or herself (which would be immodest
if it were serious). However, having said that, it applies definitely to you.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">----------</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Henno Brandsma</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.04.19 (02) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: Niels Winther <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">nielswinther@gmail.com</span></a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Keamer: kember or comber, one who combs( wool).<br>
<br>
This is a footnote allegedly quoting SOED. although I can't find it in the
third edition at least.<br>
<br>
Niels</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Here we see a phenomenon we
also see in Frisian: the verb for "to comb" has Umlaut (i-mutation).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">In Modern West Frisian we
have the verb "kjimme" (to comb), from Old Frisian *ke:ma (via
*kieme, and then breaking the diphthong), where ke:ma has e: from lengthened e,
where e ws lengthened before mb, and b dropped (Ersatzdehnung).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">So ke:ma < *kemba <
Old Germanic *kambian, probably. It's a very typical word, combining the old
lengthening before mb, with the palatalisation of the vowel (e> ie) and
breaking. Dutch has "kammen", so no lengthening or Umlaut-relic.
German has "kämmen", so umlauted, as in Frisian. I'd expect similar
forms in Low Saxon varieties. Probably Dutch also had umlauted forms, but many
of those alternations where later equalized by analogy: the noun is
"kam", so the verb "should" be "kammen", not
expected "kemmen". Of course relics also exist in Dutch
("omhelzen" (to embrace) next to "hals" (neck),
"steden" (cities) as plural of "stad", etc), but they are
far more common the more East one goes.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">The noun in Frisian has no
umlaut, but does have lenghtening: "kaam" (comb), vs Dutch
"kam". Also in "laam" (lamb) we have this, plural has short
a: "lammen". (note that West Frisian lost all -er plurals: we just
say "aaien" etc. In Saterlandic Frisian and North Frisian we still
see -er plurals).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">It seems that
"keam" is quite a nice parallel to Old Frisian "ke:ma",
even Middle Frisian "*kieme" (from which kjimme derives).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Henno</span></p>
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