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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2010.05.13 (08) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">from
Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard
wrote</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">"Old
Irish Gaelic <i>Púca</i> (> Irish English “Pooka” or “Phooka”) ‘ghost’,
etc., related to Welsh <i>Pwwka</i>, <i>Pooka</i>, <i>Puka</i>, <i>Phouka</i>, <i>Púka</i>,
<i>Pwca</i>, Cornish <i>Bucca</i>, English <i>Puck</i>."</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Beautifully
encapsulated in Rudyard Kipling's "Puck of Pook's Hill"</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">see
also the Pooka Hound /Dog who could be heard baying as death approached certain
families' members: see Anya Seton's "Katherine"</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">The
OED is uncertain as to origin: "whether Germanic or Celtic origin is prior
is uncertain"</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">from
Heather</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Worcester UK</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Ed Alexander</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:edsells@cogeco.ca">edsells@cogeco.ca</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.05.15 (02) [EN]</span><br>
<br>
At 03:01 PM 15/05/2010, <br>
Danette Howland and Ron wrote:<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">"Old
Irish Gaelic <i>Púca</i> (> Irish English “Pooka” or “Phooka”)
‘ghost’,
etc., related to Welsh <i>Pwwka</i>, <i>Pooka</i>, <i>Puka</i>, <i>Phouka</i>,
<i>Púka</i>,
<i>Pwca</i>, Cornish <i>Bucca</i>, English <i>Puck</i>."</span></p>
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Which makes me wonder if the slavic "bog" in deity names such as <i>Czernebog,
Belobog,</i> etc., isn't a cognate. Some ancient Slavo-Gallic sharing, perhaps?<br>
<br>
The original question about the word "big" reminded me of a word we
use here in Alaska (also well known in Reinhard's neck of the woods) is <i>skookum
</i>which is from the old Chinook trade lingo. According to some writers the
word was thought to refer originally to some sort of demon and now means
"powerful," "big" or "strong." Maybe a paralell
semantic development? And now that I've brought it up, I might as well mention
that I've been thinking of contributing a Chinook Trade Language version of
"The Wren."</span></p>
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I am working on getting an Eastern Ojibwe
version of the same. Hopefully in a few days! I am just barely
learning the language, but have a former teacher as an informant. One of
the words in the yet-to-be-released translation is "midoo", for
"monster". I asked Marie more about the word, and apparently it
is the word used by parents and small children which seems pretty close to the
English "bogeyman." Now, as the recipient of the Golden
Squirrel Award, I am going to conjecture that this is a corruption of or
child's way of saying "manitou", which many of you will know from
Longfellow's Hiawatha:<br>
<br>
On the Mountains of the Prairie, <br>
On the great Red Pipe-stone Quarry, <br>
Gitche <b><span style="color: maroon;">Manito</span></b>, the mighty, <br>
He the Master of Life, descending, <br>
On the red crags of the quarry <br>
Stood erect, and called the nations, <br>
Called the tribes of men together. <br>
<br>
(Honestly, the Anisnabek do not talk like this!)<br>
<br>
Another possibility is that it is related to <mdidod>, "to be
large."<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">That's a very astute
remark about the Slavic </span><i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">bog</i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> "god" group of words, though I wonder if
the apparent "coincidence" in Celtic and Slavic points to older,
Indo-European roots. Alternatively you might consider the possibility of a
Celtic substratum in Slavic, considering the fact that some Continental Celtic
regions later became Slavic-speaking.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br>
Another interesting similarity between languages is IE Dugh, or milk, from
whence we get <i>daughter </i>= milk-bearer, and <i>dug</i>, breast.
Small Anisnabek children call their mother "<i>ndoto"</i>, ("my
mother") from <i>doodoosh</i> = breast and <i>doodooshaboo</i> =
milk. This might earn me an oak cluster on my Golden Squirrel, but
at least it's more likely than any connection between Greek <i>potomo </i>=
river, and the Potomac River. <br>
<br>
Ed Alexander, Manitoulin, Ontario</span></p>
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