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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center">=====================================================<br>
L O W L A N D S - L - 17 May 2010 - Volume 03<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" class="de QrVm3d" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span class="gd"><span><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">M.-L.
Lessing</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L "Resources" 2010.05.17 (02) [EN]</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;">Leve Jonny,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;">you are quite right,
Carstensen is a fluent Platt speaker, and he speaks far better than this
website text. It can not be his own composition. When the Plattdeutsche Rat von
Schleswig-Holstein had a conference with him in his bureau I had the
opportunity to hear him speak and converse with him in Platt for a considerable
time; and to me he seemed to speak true west coast Platt easily and
coherently, even when expressing more complicated things. He is a Nordstrand
born man. In fact he prides himself on his Platt and uses it -- with a little
touch of cliché -- in election campaigns.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;">This shows how little
politicians care even about those issues they say are "close to their
heart". Or maybe the website people thought today nobody could tax the
quality of a platt text anymore...</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;">The Hamburg website is a disaster, in German
too. </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;" lang="DE">Hartlich!</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;" lang="DE">Marlou</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.5pt;" lang="DE"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">(Hamburg/Holstein)</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From:
<img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1">jonny
<<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" target="_blank">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2010.05.16 (01)
[EN-NDS]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Beste Reinhard, beste Holsteyner Naobers,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">in your comment to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><a href="http://www.schleswig-holstein.de/" target="_blank">http://www.schleswig-holstein.de/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">you
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">In my opinion, the site‘s shortcomings include difficult
navigation, unnecessarily long URLs, and inconspicuous language version links.
Also, the server was down for a few moments each time I connected to the site
on several days - not a good thing for an official site like that.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">The
same I had to find out - at the moment again no chance to connect. This may
show what little heed they pay to it.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">And
another point of criticism: the introduction of Mr. Carstensen seems to be a
simple 1:1 translation from Standard German into Low Saxon. The translators or
he himself kept the typical German syntax and use typical German phrases,
though he (Carstensen) should know better, because he is born in 1947 and grown
up in rural, meaning LS sphere. So he should be a native speaker of LS.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Maybe
that the whole text should not sound <em>'too
Plattdeutsch',</em> with the intent, that <u>everybody</u> even with the
slightest knowledge shall be able to read it. But - used this way Low Saxon
looks just like a curious dialect of Standard German.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">As
a native speaker I regret the poor quality of the project and seriously doubt
that such half-hearted lip services really help to keep Low Saxon aspected as a
separate language, which is worth to be saved for the afterworld. Officially
published this way it even has contraproductive effects!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Allerbest!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Jonny
Meibohm</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Lower
</span>Saxony, Germany</span></p>
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