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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 03 June 2010 - Volume 01</b><br>
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From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jonny Meibohm</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" lang="SV">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi"><span style="" lang="SV">LL-L
"Grammar" 2010.06.02 (03) [EN-NDS]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="SV"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Dear Lowlanners,</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
Reinhard wrote:</span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(51, 153, 153);">I wonder if
present-tense plural <i>-en</i> in the colonial dialects is due to influences
of immigrants from the Dutch- and/or German-speaking areas to the Baltic Sea coast (which began in earnest in the 12th
century).</span></b></p>
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</span><span style="font-family: "Courier New";"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Yes, I'm thinking the same.</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
But - what about </span>Eastern Frisia<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">? Did it come
up there by Dutch influence only or is it part of Old Frisian heritage, maybe
even in the Dutch/Flemish languages and dialects as well?</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
And where did the preference for diminutives come from, which, as we know, are
nearly unknown in the center of the Low Saxon language area, but widely spread
in some of the above mentioned 'colonial dialects' as well as in Western
(Standard) German and Dutch? I even dare to say: the farer to the East (</span>East Prussia<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">, Baltic German [</span><i style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Baltendeutsch</i><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">, which
was spoken by the German minority in </span>Livonia<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"> and
</span>Estonia<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">])
and the farer to the West ([Northern?] </span>Netherlands<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">, Dutch-influenced Low
Saxon, German Rhine-area) the more people seem to like to belittle their wording.</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
Allerbest!</span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Jonny Meibohm<br>
Lower Saxony Germany</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Grammar</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Remember
also that there is something of a western buffer zone, namely an area that was inhabited
by Slavic speakers in Western Holstein, all the way to Eastern Hamburg, and in the
eastern reaches of the Lunenburg Heath, and Hanne also mentioned Western Mecklenburg. These are <i>–t</i> dialects and they
have few if any diminutive forms. My hunch is that they became mixed Slavic-Saxon-speaking
earlier and had little if any Dutch-speaking influx.<br>
<br>
As for extensive use of the diminutive in the eastern regions, I have always assume
that it was at least in part Slavic-based (as in the <i>-ink</i> ~ <i>-ing</i> ending
possibly from Slavic <i>-inka</i>), farther east reinforced by Dutch and perhaps
German (<i>-ken</i>, <i>-ke</i>, <i>-tje</i> etc.).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Seattle, USA</p>
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