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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 05 June 2010 - Volume 02</b><br>
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From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jonny</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L "Animal communication" 2010.06.04
(02) [EN-NL]</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: blue;">Beste
Ron,</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: blue;">you
wrote:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
By the way, folks, this is a case of a fairly off-List thread that would be
more suitable for the Village Commons <br>
(<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=118916521473498" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=118916521473498</a>).</p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: blue;">I fully
agree! Nice weekend!</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: blue;">Jonny
Meibohm</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace; color: blue;">Lower Saxony, Germany</span><span style="font-family: "Courier New";"></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Animal communication</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Thanks, Jonny. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
On the other hand, the Dutch article you posted made me think about the way animal
sounds are rendered in various languages.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
In particular, I was reminded that in Dutch and in Mecklenburg Low Saxon cows say
“boo” (Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">boe</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, LS </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">buh</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">) while in German and, I think, in Low Saxon
dialects of Northwestern Germany, as in English, they tend to say “moo” (</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">muh</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">).
These two predominate in the worlds languages (are only spelled differently).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
I wonder if there used to be a “boo” continuum from Dutch all the way to far-eastern
Low Saxon, or if “boo” (</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">buh</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">) entered Eastern Low Saxon (in the colonial dialects
Marcus and I talked about recently) from the language variants of immigrants from
what are now </span>Belgium<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> and the
</span>Netherlands<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">.
Any hunch, anyone?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
This reminds me of a Mecklenburg Low Saxon lullaby (below given with regularized
spelling). It contains various animal sounds, and all animal names occur in the
regional diminutive with -</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ing</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> (</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">-</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">king</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> after a vowel) </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">and umlaut:</span><br>
<br>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Buhköhking: buh,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
brümming, brümming, buh,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Hünning, Hünning: wau wau,wau,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Katting, Katting: mau mau mau,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Äänting, Äänting: prack prack prack,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Gösing, Gösing: gigagack,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Hähning, Hähning: küükrekü —</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
slöppt mien Jünging bet morgen früh.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">My general guide translation (with some liberties):</span><br>
<br>
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Moo cowsy: moo,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Grumbly, grumbly moo,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Doggy, doggy: bow wow wow,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Kitty, kitty: meow meow meow,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ducky, ducky: quack quack quack,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Goosy, goosy: honk honk honk,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Cocky, cocky: doodle-doo,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
My laddie will sleep all night through.</span><br>
<br>
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cow</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Koh > Köhking: “buh” [buː]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dog</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Hund > Hünning: “wau wau” [vaˑʊˈvaˑʊ]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cat</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Katt > Katting: “mau mau” [maˑʊˈmaˑʊ]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Duck</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Aant > Äänting: “prack prack” [prakˈprak]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Goose</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Goos (~ Gaus) > Gösing (~ Gäusing): “gigagack” [gigɒˈgak]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Rooster</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Hahn > Hähning: “küükrekü” [kykreˈkyː]</span><br>
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<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Animal sounds in closely related languages:</span><br>
<br>
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cow</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Afrikaans </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">moe </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[muː], Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">boe</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> [buː], English </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">moo</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,
German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">muh</i><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dog</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Afrikaans </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">woef</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> [ʋʊf], Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">woef</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> [ʋʊf], English </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">bow-wow</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">arf</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">woof</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">ruff ruff</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,
German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">wau wau </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[vaʊˈvaʊ]</span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, wuff wuff </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[vʊfˈvʊf]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cat</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Afrikaans </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">miaau</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">miauw</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, English </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">meow</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,
German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">miau</i><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Duck</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Afrikaans </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">kwak kwak</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">kwak kwak</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, English </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">quack
quack</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">quack quack<br>
</i><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Goose</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Afrikaans ?, Dutch ?, English </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">honk honk</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">gigagack</i><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Rooster</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">: Afrikaans ?, Dutch </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">kukeleku </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[kykəleˈkyː], English </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">cock-a-doodle-doo</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,
German </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">kikeriki </i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[kikəriˈkiː</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="EN-GB"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">]</span><br style="">
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">What are the sounds in other Lowlands language varieties? Frisian? Limburgish? Scots?<br><br>Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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