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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 27 June 2010 - Volume 02<br>
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From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Henno Brandsma</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.06.26 (02) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: Henry Pijffers <<a href="mailto:henry.pijffers@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">henry.pijffers@gmail.com</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Subject: Sailors' language</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Hello,<br>
<br>
After a (very long) absence from this list, I came across something today that
I would like to put to the list. I'm busy transferring all my CDs to my PC, and
had to look up something related to the album "Reise, Reise", by the
German band Rammstein. It was said that "Reise, Reise" is an old
German (as in language) sailors' term, meaning "arise, arise". I was
thinking however that it may have come from Low German/Saxon, not High German,
because the language of sailors was Low German/Saxon for a long time. Any
ideas?<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Henry Pijffer</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In that case I would have
expected an [i:] sound, not the diphthong "ei", and I suppose this is
just an old Germanic word, that we also see in [EN] "arise", [NL]
"rijzen", [WF] "rize", etc. </p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">regards,</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Henno</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Language proficiency" 2010.06.26 (02) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: Henry Pijffers <<a href="mailto:henry.pijffers@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">henry.pijffers@gmail.com</span></a>>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Subject: Sailors' language</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Hello,<br>
<br>
After a (very long) absence from this list, I came across something today that
I would like to put to the list. I'm busy transferring all my CDs to my PC, and
had to look up something related to the album "Reise, Reise", by the
German band Rammstein. It was said that "Reise, Reise" is an old
German (as in language) sailors' term, meaning "arise, arise". I was
thinking however that it may have come from Low German/Saxon, not High German,
because the language of sailors was Low German/Saxon for a long time. Any
ideas?</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">You are right. Wikipedia has
a short article on it: <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reise_reise" target="_blank"><http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reise_reise></a>. The
Low Saxon word is 'riesen', a cognate of English 'to rise', and it means
"to lift, to swell". It used to be a German word too, but in German
it fell out of use (Grimm dictionary: <a href="http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/WBB/woerterbuecher/dwb/displaylinkinfo?lemid=GR04033" target="_blank"><http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/WBB/woerterbuecher/dwb/displaylinkinfo?lemid=GR04033></a>).
The German word 'rieseln' is derived from the verb. It's a Middle German form
(therefore the vowel 'ie' instead of 'ei') and it means 'to trickle' (of a
granular substance) which is quite the opposite of 'to rise'. The Grimm
dictionary article sheds some light on the semantics ('riesen' can also mean
'to fall').<br>
<br>
Marcus Buck</p>
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