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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center"><b>L O W L A N D S - L - 08 July
2010 - Volume 01</b><br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jonny</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L
"History" 2010.07.07 (06) [EN]</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Beste Marcus,</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">answering to my
previous posting</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: navy;">>>
...still living at "Bederkesa", which in Low Saxon has become damaged
to "Beers".</span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">you wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: teal;">> I'd prefer
the wording "has evolved into" instead of "has become damaged
to". Being able to transport the same amount </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: teal;">> of
information in one syllable instead of four syllables seems to be a sign of
superior language efficiency to me.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: purple;" lang="DE">("Fabelhafter Kerl!", sagte einst der
österreichische Kaiser Franz-Joseph über einen besonders schneidigen preußischen
General. "Fa-bel-haft, der Mann! Kann <em>'Euer
kaiserliche Majestät'</em> in einer Silbe aussprechen!")</span><span style="" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Same amount of
information? I'm sorry, I'm completely unable to pick out <u>any</u> sense
from this deformed word <strong><i>'Beers'</i></strong>(spoken
similar to ['black] <strong>bears</strong>'). The
true origin probably is <strong>"Bederiks-a",</strong>
which, translated, means <em>'(Knight)
Bederiks water'</em> (Schiller-Lübben, first page, "a").</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Even a very
capable etymologist, using all his knowledge and phantasy, would hardly
find out this connection. It's a kind of dialectical encryption, a slang word
in its purest sense, which doesn't become automatically better just because it
is used by some poorly educated Low Saxon 'Nuschel-Brüdern' ('mumble-brothers').</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">And if you just
mean the exclusive information <em>'a
location, near Bremerhaven'</em>
- who on earth is able to find out this when he is living, let me say, more
than 50 kilometres away from that village? Not very useful, don't you think?</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Who allows
people to abuse Low Saxon so heftyly? Aren't there anylonger
any rules at all? Is it fancy, trendy? What are we doing here? Are we
trying to save any local family-slang or a great language, with all its norms
and principles that make up a 'universal' language?</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">In my youth I've met
a lot of Low Saxon speakers which I was completely unable to
understand. These guys had their very own and special way
to communicate, because they never had left their families, their
closest surrounding, or, if you want, their cows and pigs. They had
never been forced to deal with a greater world, and for their small
ambit they didn't need much syntax and grammar. (They were
horrible, but I'm pretty sure today we still could learn a lot of
them ;-)!)</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">By all means - let
us keep up this important difference between local color and the
varieties of the Low Saxon language! </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">You see - I'm still
fighting for the conservation of our good old location names. Sometimes I think
this is even more important (and perhaps with more prospect of success)
than to keep 'Platt' alive, because these over 1.000 years
old 'jewels' often allow us to open etymological and historical
doors which seemed to be locked.</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">(<u>BTW:</u> If you
like you should have a look into de.wiki at 'Bederkesa'. Perhaps a good example
for my sorrows: in his trial to explain the meaning of the name any
'Spoykenkieker' ('seer') came to 'ahe', which he breezily translated into
'Herrenwald'.)</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Allerbest ;-)!</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Jonny Meibohm</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Lower Saxony, Germany</span></p>
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