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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center"><b>L O W L A N D S - L - 12 July 2010 - Volume 03</b><br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mark Dreyer</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "History" 2010.07.08 (04) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Beste Vlad:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L
"Etymology"</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hmm ... Speaking further of
shanties... :-)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Eine Seefahrt die ist lustig / Eine Seefahrt, die ist schön.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Ek herhinner my aan 'n Afrikaanse vers uit die einste sjentie:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">O die kok in die kombuis</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">is 'n dikke vette swyn,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">met sy hande in die kos</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">en sy voete in die wyn!</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Holahie, holaho,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">holahiahiahia
holahohohohoho.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I beg leave to agree with
Vlad, who holds that<span style="color: black;"> in the times when <b><i>real</i></b>
shanties were sung, <b><i>keine</i></b> Seefahrt was either 'lustig' or
'schön'. I mean it.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">But still, Vlad
they sang. Even on hard ships they sang. R.H. Dana Jr. makes that point,
writing in 'Three years before the mast', having left his university studies
for his lungs' sake & signed articles (bad luck) as an ordinary seaman on
the 'Pilgrim', an unhappy ship with a marginally endowed Master. They sang
& they worked their way around the Horn to California, changed ships but alas not the
captain & sailed back, & rounding the Horn again, while the 'Old
Man' consoled a seriously worried passenger (the only one), saying,
"That sounds like a lively crew. They'll have their song so long as
there's enough left for a chorus."</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Dana is an
antidote to Joseph Conrad, with a good view of the pinched underbelly of a
mossback's life at sea, & no illusions to cherish or to foster. Vlad,
bear in mind a working man's life on land was not much better, & in some
cases a whole lot worse. The Sea got some of the best of men from all
walks of life, & some of the worst, & unlike life on land they chose it
(unless a crimp got them). Also, some periods in the History of Sail, some
ships & some ship-masters were better than others. I guess, given a choice,
I'd rather go to sea than down a mine or man a cotton-jenny, if I could
choose my berth, & speaking with the hindsight of many (including Slocum,
Villiers, Royce & Newby) I'd rather sail with a German line
or Finnish of the late Nineteenth Century or early Twentieth than any
other, & I'd choose any other ship before a Limey, unless it were a
Bluenose Yankee. Imaginative? They were certainly imaginative. Take the
Seeadler as a fine & not a rare example. & You, Sir, are another
example of vindingrykheid, if I have picked up anything from you. <br>
<br>
Somebody made a comment about tempo of shanties. There are no rules here.
Different tasks called for different tempi, manning the capstan or the sweeps,
hauling sheets, swabbing decks or holystoning them. There were clean verses for
those manning packets with passengers, but they all knew the dirty lyrics too.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">And sailors are
not alone. In my time soldiering, some of the most testing training I ever did
was softened by song. & contrary to the popular record (as I have heard it)
we were not all jack-booted Afrikaners with foreheads villeinously low. Lili
Marlene was a good one, very popular but it has to be sung in German.
Another good one was the very shanty you opened with, including these
memorable lines:</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">De kamp die se versperrings</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">is gaandeweg verby,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">want die hoere met hul moters</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">het die drade platgery.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">Holahi, holaho</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">Holahiahiahia holahohohohoho!</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">(in translation)</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="NL">The Unit Line's boundries</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">are utterly
gone,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">'cause the
whores in their cars</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">rode the fences
down.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Holahi, holaho</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">holahiahiahia
holahohohohoho.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">& I rest <strong>my</strong> case, he he he. <br>
</span><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Mark Dreyer <br>
Pretoria, South Africa</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
History<br>
<br>
Snorre Björkson sent me the following on the flag topic</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Seattle, USA</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;">Leeve Ron!<br>
<br>
So veel Lüüd, so veel Menen.<br>
<br>
As wi daartomaal (1989!) anfungen, geev dat gaar keen Idee för een plattdüütsch<br>
Flagg un daar wull ook nüms wat van weten. De Düütschen wassen<br>
in jümeer "Einheitstaumel". So hebbt wi dat sünner de Medien maakt,<br>
as een Akschoongrupp in de Maneer van de "Graswurzel", as dat upp
Dütsch heet.<br>
<span style="" lang="NL">Dat Internett geev dat ook noch neet
as hüüt.<br>
Wi hebbt us welke Flaggen maakt un sünd daarmet lostrocken.<br>
Wi sünd in'n Kroog ween, bi Football, upp Middsümmerfier, upp Reis, upp
Festivals.<br>
Ik heff in'nt Jaar 2000 upp de alternative "Expo von unten" in
Hannover<br>
dat neddersassisch Noordland präsenteert met us Flagg.<br>
<br>
Ik mag dat Sassenpeer wull lieden. Et is egens een groot un stolt Teken.<br>
Man ik heff dree Grünn, dat Hiesken neet binnen een Flagg to maken:<br>
<br>
1. Schall dat denn een witt of een swatt Peer wesen?<br>
Dat swatte Peer is een haidnisch Teken, sachs een beten lieksas<br>
Woden sien Peer. Dat witte Peer stait för dat Christendom,<br>
daar heff ik egens nix gegen, man dat stait ook för Karl as Winner över
Widukind,<br>
un daar heff ik nu doch wat gegen.<br>
<br>
2. Dat tweete heff ik al seggt: Dat Sassenpeer is een "Tribal".<br>
Dat stait för een ethnisch Grupp. Dat is een grood Symbol.<br>
Man Oostfresen sünd keen Sassen, un jümeer Sassisch is een Mix<br>
van Sassisch, een beetjen Freesk un ne Masse nederlannsche Wörr.<br>
It's real lowland language. Lüüd in Meckelborg sünd wull ook<br>
egens keen Sassen. För mi is dat plattdüütsche Land,<br>
dat Sassenland, een grood Kulturregioon.<br>
<br>
3. Dat wichtigste is avers: Dat Peer is för min Fölen veel to<br>
folkloristisch bruukt. Sien Knööv is verlüstig gaan.<br>
Un wenn ik een Schriven van een Amt kreeg, is dat een hochdütschen Breev<br>
met een Sassenpeer upp. Dat bedüüt, dat bedüüt nix mehr.<br>
Dat Sassenpeer upp dat roode Feld is dat Teken van den Bundesland<br>
Niedersachsen. Un dat hett met Sassenspraak un Sasenstolt<br>
rien gaar nix mehr to doon.<br>
<br>
Wat is met een Hanse-Kogg upp de Flagg?<br>
<br>
Kann ik mi good vörstelln. Villicht kann maal ween versöken,<br>
een symbollisch Kogge in een van de grönen Feller<br>
van de Noordlandflagg to schildern?<br>
Een Kogge is ook een groot un stolt Symbool.<br>
<br>
Man: Beter as een Schipp upp de Flagg is<br>
de Flagg upp een Schipp!<br>
<br>
Dat gifft ook meerst keen Land, wat in sien Flagg glieks<br>
noch dusend Teken hett. So een Teken höört binnen een
"Schild-Wappen".<br>
Dat is een Ünnerscheed. Ik simleer: Wi maakt to us Flagg ook een
"Wappen" met<br>
Sassenpeer un Hansekogge. Dat Sassenpeer stait för Stammesstolt un de Kogge för
Werldenwietsicht.<br>
Flagg un Wappen sünd twee Saken.<br>
<br>
As ik al seggt heff: Dat Krüüz stait neet allen för Skandinvaien.<br>
Dat Krüüz stait för den Noorn. England hett ook een Krüüz.<br>
De Grupp van Auerk hett een Krüüz för Freesland vörslaan.<br>
Un nu kiek sik een de Flagg van den freesken Rat an:<br>
Dat is allns döreenanner, liek so as seggt is: To veel Symbolen sind neet good.<br>
Ik meen de Fresen hebbt een grood Schangs verdoon.<br>
<br>
Met de Klören för dat Land, grön, geel un blau hebbt<br>
wi wat funnen, wat tominnst älkeen verstaan kann.<br>
Dat is doch even waarafti typisch för us Land.<br>
Dat is neutral, kann för Sassen un Oostfresen staan, un stait neet blots för
een Deel van Noorn.<br>
Bi de Ideen för een intersaks Flagg van de nedersaks Wikipedia<br>
wassen ook meerst Krüüze bi. Wunnert mi, dat dat bet nu keen uppfullen is.<br>
Daran kannst du seen: Vör veele Lüüd is dat Krüüz typisk för'n Noorden.<br>
Of düsse Flagg denn Noordlandflagg, Moinflagg, Plattdüütsch Flagg or<br>
Nige Sassische Flagg nöömt warrd, is för mi neet dat wichtigste.<br>
</span>De Farven sünd good un dat Krüüz egens ook.<span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></p>
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