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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: Joachim
<<a href="mailto:Osnabryg%2BLowlands@googlemail.com">Osnabryg+Lowlands@googlemail.com</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L "Language
varieties" 2010.07.14 (03) [NDS]</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">14.07.10 17:43 citeerde Roger Thijs: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 102); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Betalen van maandag tot zaterdag', staat er op de
parkeermeter in Maasmechelen. Omdat er niet 'tot en met zaterdag' staat,
kochten enkele Nederlanders geen ticketje. Ze vechten hun boete aan. En volgens
taalspecialisten zouden ze wel eens gelijk kunnen hebben. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-family: Arial;">un
commenteerde:<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-family: Arial;">One more difference between
Belgian Dutch and Dutch from the Netherlands.The "van...tot..."
(from...till...) issue.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-family: Arial;">If you have to pay for
parking from Monday till Saturday,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-family: Arial;">is the Saturday included or
not?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-family: Arial;">In Belgian Dutch apparently
Yes</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">In Northern Dutch apparently
No.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Beste Roger & all LL,<br>
<br>
Goudet underwerp vor de "Saure-Gurken-Zeit" in de pers en publik
debat (geluklike Belgen, in de tyd van de grötsde crisis des capitalism sint
ruum 1930 …). </span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="NL">Maar ik wünske de klagers succes, wouwual ik de anwysing up de
parkeermeter anders interpreteer.<br>
<br>
Ik denk dat is meer eyne mathematisk un logisk vrage dan eyne
taalwetenskaplike. Het is glykårdig met dat 2000-jår-probleemtje (uset nigge
eew is mathematisk nig de 1 januar 2000, maar 2001 begonnen).<br>
<br>
Dar is en unzëkerheyt in de communicatie, darüm gift het helemaul de
uutdrükswys "tot en met".<br>
<br>
Dar is nyn unzëkerheyt, als "van … tot/bet" zik up <b>tydpünte</b>
betrekt. Wan juue arbeytsverdrag zegt: "Anwezigheyd van 7:30 tot 15:30
uur", dan is het untwyvelbar, dat jy van half acht (morgens) tot (en met)
half veer (naumiddags) an de wërkplaats zyn mötet.<br>
<br>
De unsëkerheyt kümt up, wan sik dat "van … tot/bet" up <b>tydrüümte</b>
betrekt. De wëkendagen zynt tydrüümte. Gelyks in welke taal, "van maundag
tot/bet sauterdag" ment "alle dagen van maundags tot sauterdags"
of "van 't begin van maundag tot ende van sauterdag". Anders maakt
het nyn zin. Un wan een dat "tot" interpreteert as "tot dat
begin van", dan kon men met glyke recht ouk dat "van" verstaun
as "van dat ende van" en van de meyning zyn, ouk 's maundags zol dat
parkeeren frig zyn.<br>
<br>
Zou als "van … tot/bet" in val van tydpünten de nöimte tydpünten
inslutet, zou ouk in in val van tydrüümten. Anders maakt dat logisk-mathematisk
nyn zin, meyn ik. </span><span style="" lang="NL"><br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="" lang="NL">Met echt-westfœlsken »Goutgaun!«</span></pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">joachim</pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
--</pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Kreimer-de Fries</pre><pre><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Osnabrügge => Berlin-Pankow</span></pre>
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