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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 16 July 2010 - Volume 04</b></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Michael Everson</span> <<a href="mailto:everson@evertype.com" target="_blank">everson@evertype.com</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (04) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">On 16 Jul 2010, at 21:52,
Lowlands-L List wrote:<br>
<br>
> There’s a (slightly vague) division between vexillology (i.e. flags) and
heraldry (shields), although some flags do include heraldic symbols, and many
of those are “weird”, unclear or simply too numerous, complex and confusing.
This is because many people want to make flags into something they are not:
rectangular heraldic shields. If I designed a Lowlands
heraldic shield it certainly would contain heraldic symbols. Places have flags
and they have heraldic shields. They’re supposed to be different creatures.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Not in Wales.<br>
<br>
And in Ireland
we have this boring and contentious tricolour. But the original flag was a harp
on a green field. Both heraldic and vexilly. At least the President of Ireland
still uses it, a harp on a blue field.<br>
<br>
In any case, my opinion of the horizontal stripes you have is that it's not
very inspiring.<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Michael Everson * <a href="http://www.evertype.com/" target="_blank">http://www.evertype.com/</a></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (03) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gi"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Re Ron’s Flags……</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Please keep Nr 1. My heart recognized it. You don’t
need to mess with heraldic symbolism. Everyone’s memories can fill flowers,
cows or horses and some birds in the sky. Thanks Ron! Jacqueline</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (03) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gi"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: M.-L.
Lessing <<a href="http://uk.mc264.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marless@gmx.de" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">marless@gmx.de</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (02)
[EN]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">Paul, I
assure you, if you look into northern german sky </span><em style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">these days</em><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">...! You
might think the colors of Rons flag wanting in intensity :-)</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Marlou</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">What's changed? global
warming and all that? Sounds like a great excuse to get over there and have
another loook for myself (the last time I passed through northern Germany and the Netherlands was in the middle of
winter).</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (04) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Symbols don't have to be
heraldic to be striking, and flags don't have to be restricted to stripes. The
very impressive flags of Canada
and Japan
are two very good examples. I'm no big fan of the European Union, but I think
it's a great flag - though as more members join it's in danger of ending up
looking like a dodgy wizard's cloak in a school play.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Tricoleurs (Driekleurings?)
and other stripey flags traditionally have a "revolutionary" element,
starting with the French who kicked it all off. The idea is that it requires no
special skill to make one, and if the Nasty Authorities come snooping around
looking for dissidents, a few cuts turn your provocative flag into three
different coloured tea-towels.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Are the Lowlands
planning on revolting, and if so, against whom exactly? I'll most likely cheer
from the sidelines - but if I'm going to take sides, I like to know who we're playing.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: Vexillology</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Paul,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Are the Lowlands
planning on revolting, and if so, against whom exactly? I'll most likely cheer
from the sidelines - but if I'm going to take sides, I like to know who we're playing.</span></p>
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Hmm... That’s an idea.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The most obvious candidate would
be, of course ... the Highlands. They’ve have it
coming, I'd say.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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