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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 17 July 2010 - Volume 03</b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" class="de QrVm3d" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Vexillology"</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Beste Paul,<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
<br>
> Symbols don't have to be heraldic to be striking, and flags don't have to
be restricted to stripes. The very impressive flags of Canada and Japan are two very good examples.<br>
<br>
Same goes for Kazakhstan's:
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2ajd4zx" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2ajd4zx</a>
At least a flag you can remember.<br>
<br>
Within the "tricolores", some of them have colors that don't really
match in my opinion. The colors of France
do...those of Italy as
well...for my taste, the ones of Romania
and Colombia
don't...whatever "taste" is.<br>
<br>
> Are the Lowlands planning on revolting,
and if so, against whom exactly? I'll most likely cheer from the sidelines -
but if I'm going to take sides, I like to know who we're playing.<br>
<br>
Like Ron said, let's challenge the Highlands...no more Highland games, just one
big competition: Lowlands vs. Highlands<br>
<br>
UK both has Low and
Highlands, so does the Benelux, Germany,
Poland and Scandinavia.
First we have two huge international teams, each of them consisting of players
of either the Lowlands or the Highlands. First
round we try to select which team is stronger, Low or High. Second round, we
make a further selection, the winning team of the first round is split up
between the five countries, in order to decide which country finally wins.
Let's just call it "The Games" and sell the idea for big bucks to the
media ;=)<br>
<br>
Kind greetings,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" class="de QrVm3d" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span style=""> </span>Danette Howland <<a href="mailto:dan_how@msn.com">dan_how@msn.com</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Subject: LL-L
"History" 2010.07.09 (05) [EN-NDS]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Dear Lowlanders:<br>
<br>
Ron wrote:<br>
<br>
"Yet ... the cross ... "<br>
<br>
And I breathed a sigh of releif when I read this because I was having trouble
restraining myself. Such a reply from myself, a foreigner, would have
meant little. <br>
<br>
I have a special fondness for Lower Saxony as
the birthplace of many of my ancestors and my view is both romantic and
historical but not really contemporary. I have no real sense of the
meaning such a flag would have to those proposing it. The
continuity of such a familiar symbol chosen to show friendship
with other northern countries must have its own special appeal.
However, I must agree that it seems to me to be a symbol imposed upon a
once proud and free nation by a conquering culture.<br>
<br>
The heritage of Saxon independence, the traditional "religion" of
home and hearth and the continuity of a uniquely lowlandish way of life has
outlasted the rule of kings and bishops. So maybe my response is silly,
but it is heartfelt.<br>
<br>
Thank you, Reinhard.<br>
<br>
John Howland</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" class="de QrVm3d" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span style=""> </span><span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">M.-L.
Lessing</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (01) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: Michael Everson <<a href="mailto:everson@evertype.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">everson@evertype.com</span></a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (04) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">In any case, my opinion of the horizontal stripes you have is
that it's not very inspiring.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">On the contrary, it inspires
all the sounds of the wind and smells of the not-so-far sea... A Lowlands portrait in three stripes. Keep it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">Marlou</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" class="de QrVm3d" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span style=""> </span><span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Sandy
Fleming</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk">sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (01) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">> From: Michael Everson
<<a href="mailto:everson@evertype.com">everson@evertype.com</a>><br>
><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (04) [EN]<br>
></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">> In any case, my opinion
of the horizontal stripes you have is that<br>
> it's not very inspiring.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">I do find it inspiring, but
perhaps because I've grown up with exactly<br>
the sort of "Lowlands" topography
that Ron's suggested flag represents?<br>
<br>
The yellow band is particularly inspiring, I think, because you may<br>
think of the rising sun on the horizon, or you may particularly think of<br>
the change that comes before every harvest when the fields are full of<br>
ripened wheat, oats and barley.<br>
<br>
I was wondering about a flag representing the Scots language for the<br>
purposes at least of the LL list (see<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language</a>
for the conlang<br>
mailing list flag, for example). Here's Ron's "Lowlands" flag:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag01.png" target="_blank">http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag01.png</a><br>
<br>
and here's my suggestion for a Scots variant:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sco.png" target="_blank">http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sco.png</a><br>
<br>
This is supposed to represent the way the Lowland Scottish landscape<br>
tends to be flat, but with the occasional "law" (an isolated hill -
or<br>
as people outside Scotland say, "mountain" - in an essentially flat<br>
landscape) here and there.<br>
<br>
So this has Eildon Law to the right, which is trifurcate, and some<br>
generic law elsewhere representing the topography of much of lowland<br>
Scotland.
Having the easily-recogisable Eildon Law gives a clue to the<br>
graphic intent of the simple green peak.<br>
<br>
I'm just mucking about, I don't actually mean to create more things to<br>
start a war about :)<br>
<br>
On the other hand, we've got a website, it might be useful or at least<br>
colourful to have flags as graphic representations of the languages<br>
there.<br>
<br>
Any other ideas?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br>
> From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Vexillology<br>
><br>
> Paul,<br>
><br>
> Are the Lowlands planning on revolting,
and if so, against whom<br>
> exactly? I'll most likely cheer from the sidelines - but if I'm going<br>
> to take sides, I like to know who we're playing.<br>
><br>
> Hmm... That’s an idea.<br>
><br>
> The most obvious candidate would be, of course ... the Highlands.<br>
> They’ve have it coming, I'd say.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Between Scotland and Germany they've got us in a pincer
attack, so<br>
that's out :)<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Sandy Fleming<br>
<a href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" class="de QrVm3d" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span style=""> </span><span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Sandy
Fleming</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk">sandy@fleimin.demon.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (01) [EN]</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">I wrote:<br>
<br>
> I was wondering about a flag representing the Scots language for the<br>
> purposes at least of the LL list (see<br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language</a>
for the conlang<br>
> mailing list flag, for example). Here's Ron's "Lowlands"
flag:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag01.png" target="_blank">http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag01.png</a><br>
><br>
> and here's my suggestion for a Scots variant:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sco.png" target="_blank">http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sco.png</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">oh, and...<br>
<br>
<a href="http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sax.png" target="_blank">http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sax.png</a>
:)<br>
<br>
The image of the horse is from <a href="http://www.clker.com/" target="_blank">http://www.clker.com/</a>
so should be OK to<br>
use.<br>
<br>
OK, what other boring subjects are going to turn out to be fun?</span></p>
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