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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Language history"</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Beste Mike,<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
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> In fact though, Russian полк /polk/ "troop" going back to Common
Slavic *pъlkъ -- although previously generally argued to go back to a borrowing
from Gothic (which i guess then would have borrowed it from a non-IE
substrate?) -- and clearly related Lithuanian pulkas "crowd, herd,
troop" and Latvian pulks "troop, multitude" (ok, I know! Baltic
COULD also have borrowed from Gothic... directly or via common Slavic), all
seem to have a clear and simple IE etymology (< *pel- etc (Pokorny I, 798ff)
"fill", "multitude" + IE suffix -k- / i.e. Pokorny's -go-)
.. an etymology proposed already in the 1880s by Miklosich.<br>
><br>
> AND, although with different nominal suffixes or other add-ons, we have
Latin plebs (semantically very close to the idea of a "folk"), Greek
Πλειαδες "Pleiads" (thus related πληθος as in plethora, and
also to Persian name for the same star cluster <span dir="RTL" lang="AR-SA">پروین</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
/parvin/ it would seem, pacem Greek folk etymologies to the contrary), Welsh
(sic) lliaws"multitude" ... and this is the SAME root, without any
add-ons in Indic -पुर: /pura/ "city" (as in Singapur, as well as
Jaipur, Gorakhpur, Janakpur, etc) and related Greek πολις "city" ...
also being, like a "folk", basically a collection of a multitude of
people<br>
<br>
Also Greek πολύς , much, many, poly-, a multitude, Latin plūs, more of
something and Old Norse fjöl, German viel, Brabantish vööl: many. Maybe the
final -k- in "Volk" can be interpreted as a suffix denoting "a
collection of"?<br>
Compare Dutch "menig" (many) > "menigte" (a crowd).<br>
<br>
Would the idea to give "folk" a "Sonderstatus" (Germanic,
but not IE) be rooted in a folkloric (sic) movement trying to keep pure
whatever it considers the core of its language? The notion of "a
people", "ein Volk" is of course important all over the world,
but I tend to think it was valued even higher in old Germania, where hierarchy
seems to have been somewhat flatter than in Latin (and Greek?) speaking
societies, cf. "Dutch" = language of the people (in opposition to
Latin), first used by Charlemagne, of all people ;=), when addressing the Pope.
By the way, I don't consider it likely there will ever be an Italian
car...branded "Macchina del Popolo" (~ Volkswagen) ;=)<br>
<br>
No coincidence either that the former motto of the most popular right wing
political party in Belgium "Vlaams Belang" was "Eigen volk
eerst" (Own people first). Another "core"-word there
"eigen", as in one of the few German words that made it straight into
English "eigenvalue", "eigenvector" and
"eigenspace", all mathematical concepts in linear algebra.<br>
<br>
"Eigen" (G, D) ~ "to own" (E).<br>
<br>
Two simple words "eigen" (~ to possess) and "volk" (~ be
numerous), that some view as the mere ingredients to make a nation.<br>
<br>
Kind greetings,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium</span></p>
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