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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 02 August 2010 - Volume 04</b><br>
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From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">M.-L. Lessing</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" lang="FR">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi"><span style="" lang="FR">LL-L
"Language politics" 2010.08.02 (03) [DE-EN-NDS]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Dear Ron, Marcus, Mike, Anja
& all,</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">thank you all for helping me
see things more clearly and more diverse at once! This is just what I love
about LL-L :-)</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">So most of us think this
Grundgesetz-thing would be of no use for high German, and some think it would
be of no harm for the minority languages or for language development as well.
But there were arguments that it could, and many points were interesting to me,
especially yours, Ron, that German could be replaced by a totally different
language in the course of social development. A rigid rule as to the language
would be an obstacle then. I had not been thinking that far into the future.
But really, I don't worry so much about these future times. I suppose if German
can be replaced, then the Grundgesetz can be, too? That new society will make
its own Grundgesetz. "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the
morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is
the evil thereof." Matthew 6:34 :-))</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">True: The Grundgesetz is
rather a mirror of society than a guideline. Thus it would not be of much use
to help check the Germish infestation. But I think there is much to the
warnings of Marcus an Helge: As soon as a minority language turns to be a
molestation (i.e. a factor of cost), such a Grundgesetz article may be used
against them. Surely the Wilders' of this world will not learn Frysk. It would
be trouble. Nobody wants trouble.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">On the whole, I think you
pretty got me over to refuse the Grundgesetz-initiative :-)</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Thanks all!</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Hartlich</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Marlou</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">P.S. Marcus, you wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="DE"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"Was erwartest du, sollte sich
ändern, wenn man fremdsprachige Prüfungen abschafft? Wer macht denn solche
Prüfungen? Ich würde zwei Gruppen erwarten: a) frische Neuankommlinge, die noch
nicht die Gelegenheit hatten, die einheimische Sprache zu lernen, b)
Hausfrauen, die in ihren Kontakten stets auf die Familie und Landsleute der
alten Heimat beschränkt waren und deshalb nie veranlasst waren, die
einheimische Sprache zu lernen."</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">This is funny, your ideas
seem quite plausible, but I was thinking of <em>young men</em>. They are the
most problematic group (in many respects :-)) -- and at the same time the group
where the driving license is most valued. So many people think the license
would be a fine lever arm to bring them to the books. Some even say a driving
license should not be granted without a Hauptschul graduation. This might
rapidly bring down the rate of male school drop-outs, not only those of migrant
roots. -- As to your a), people who don't know what Einbahnstraße means should
really not be granted a driving license, I think; as to your b) -- these women
are the most eager to learn german and get on. I am working as a computer
and math teacher in migrants' integration and training projects, you know, and
have seen many classes of these gifted and deeply frustrated women, exploding
with accumulated eagerness to learn. No problem <em>there</em>!</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: Language politics<br>
<br>
Marlou,<br>
<br>
Most countries consider their constitutions sacrosanct and make changing them
very difficult. Whatever goes into the constitution is meant to be lasting, not
something that can be changed at the drop of the hat. <br>
<br>
Lammert’s amendment proposal is really a proposed <i>addition</i>. Once it is
in the constitution it will be very difficult to remove or change it. <br>
<br>
Look at the
French constitution and its phrase "La langue de la République est le
français". Those in French
politics that are opposed to linguistic diversity in France and thus to the legitimacy
of regional and minority languages (leave alone immigrant languages) keep
referring to that phrase. Of course, the phrase can be interpreted as meaning
that French is the national lingua franca (which would allow recognition of
other languages). But the anti-diversity crowd hangs on to the literal meaning.
So you have a political fight on your hands and that because the language has
been specified in the constitution.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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