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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 06 August 2010 - Volume 12<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Michael Everson</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:everson@evertype.com">everson@evertype.com</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Orthography" 2010.08.06 (09) [EN]</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">On
6 Aug 2010, at 23:28, Lowlands-L List wrote:<br>
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> The example I gave earlier on, "tnootn" for Dutch
"knoken" illustrates very well the different sound between the two
/tn/ clusters, the first one is the "nasal stop" version and the last
one is like "buutn". The tip of the tongue also shifts towards the
back of the front teeth during the pronunciation of this word, because in the
final /tn/ cluster you should effectively hear a -t-, not so in the initial
one.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">That's a syllabic n.</span></p>
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> > However, I still argue that the apparent allophone of /t/ in these
cases is really the mentioned “nasal stop”. You can’t say it any other way.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">well, the tn- sounds like pre-occlusion to me.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br>
> A hundred years ago, Dutch professor Jacobus van Ginneken might have seen
proof of a Slavic substrate in this phenomenon. He wrote numerous articles
about Slavic relics in Dutch, one of them can be read here:<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3xcbg6q" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/3xcbg6q</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Hard to imagine Slavic
relics in Dutch. </span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="IT">Proto-Balto-Slavo-Germanic relics, maybe.<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Michael Everson * <a href="http://www.evertype.com/" target="_blank">http://www.evertype.com/</a></span></p>
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