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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 06 August 2010 - Volume 11<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a></span>></span></p>



<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Travels"</span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Beste Paul,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">You wrote:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">From: Paul Finlow-Bates <<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</span></a>></span></span></p>



<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L
"Travels" 2010.08.05 (06) [EN]</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="FR"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.9134in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: Hellinckx Luc <<a href="http://uk.mc264.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</span></a>></span></p>



<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.9134in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Subject: LL-L "Vexillology"</span></p>

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 1.4134in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.9134in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">...At the border a big billboard said "Wilkommen im Land
der Frühaufsteher":</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.9134in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><br>
In short: I didn't feel too welcome ;=)</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><br>
Hi Luc,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">I guess I am one so I'd feel fairly welcome!</span></p>



<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Am sure you would ;=). </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">If we assume that rising
time is symmetrically distributed around a certain mean value, this means that
half of the people get up early and half of them late (locally speaking). If
then, you're trying to promote your city, count(r)y or region among foreigners
you risk "losing" half of them. Maybe more, maybe less, depending on
how early the sample population you're targeting gets up on average. </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">You can somewhat compare the
Saxon campaign with sexist advertising, half of the people halfheartedly likes
it, half of them is annoyed. If you solve half of a problem, but the other half
gets twice as bad, you just shifted the problem. This also translates
politically...no need to give names... ;=) </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">But it's odd how it's seen as a
virtue; there's a common saying:</span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> Early to bed,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> Early to rise,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> Makes a man healthy,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> Wealthy and wise.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">But why?</span></p>



<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">I think this attitude may be
inspired by a market situation. Farmers getting up early, had all the time in
the world to make deals with both fellow merchants and customers...the ones who
arrived late, had less choice. As a seller, you had to take the little space
that was left, and as a customer, you had to make do with the leftovers that
didn't get sold earlier on.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Ron suggested in a previous
message that praise of early risers may have something to do with a Protestant
heritage in the North, and to a large extent I think he's right. However within
Northern Belgium, one notices that folks in Western Flanders tend to get up
earlier than those of Brabant or Limburg. All
provinces have a Catholic past though, and even today Western
 Flanders is still more of a Catholic stronghold than the other
regions. </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Therefore I think the moral
value of qualities, as perceived by a community, may also reflect their
usefulness within the considered physical environment. Say, if you were a
farmer, centuries ago, living under a dike...with a sea behind your back,
behaving nasty from time to time, I guess you couldn't afford not to have a
minimal dose of community spirit or stay in bed when times got rough. I have
the impression nature wasn't that hostile inland. Especially if you owned a
patch of fertile land in your own little valley, pre-emptive planning and
organising was less "de rigueur". So people managed their time
according to their personal wishes...which greatly varied.<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">I'm sure there are sick, poor and stupid early risers, as well
as rich, fit, clever night-owls! It never made any sense to me.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Another thing that struck me while in the North is how early one
is having dinner. After 8.30 pm, it was often no longer possible to find a
restaurant that was still willing to serve food. Absolutely not the case in Belgium (and
most other places I've been to). Maybe people want to spend more time drinking?
Or is it because they have to get up early?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Outside major towns that was still quite common in Australia, at
least up to the end of the 20th C.  When I was working in Bolivia a lot
of Australian collegues commented on how hard it was to get into the South
American habit of eating so late.  There, you can have a hard time
finding somewhere to serve you <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">before</span></em> 8:30!</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>



<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Spain</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"> also has this habit...maybe that's where we Belgians
got it from btw ;=) </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">In the case of Spain, I find
it logical to eat late at night, because in summer that's the only time it's
actually cool enough to enjoy your meal.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Kind greetings,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Luc Hellinckx,
Halle, Belgium</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>

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