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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 08 August 2010 - Volume 04<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Anja Meyfarth</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:aurinel@spray.se">aurinel@spray.se</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span style="font-family: Arial;"><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1"></span><span class="gi"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">LL-L "Language
politics" 2010.08.07 (01) [EN]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Good morning, everybody!<br>
<br>
Well, Heiko, it's definitly ßt and sp.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Anja</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">----------</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Wintzer</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:k9mw@yahoo.com">k9mw@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1"></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style=""> </span></span></span><span class="gi"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">LL-L "Language
politics" 2010.08.07 (01) [EN]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Greetings!<br>
During my childhood (middle of last century in Mecklenburg)
ßl, ßm, ßn, ßp, ßt...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">was wide-spread if not
standard, but already then it was considered a sort of </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">social-class marker, and
consequently nowadays has all but disappeared.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Mike Wintzer</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">M.-L. Lessing</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1"></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style=""> </span></span></span><span class="gi"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">LL-L "Language
politics" 2010.08.07 (01) [EN]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Dear Anja, </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">my mother's parents, having
moved from the country into Hamburg, brought
up their children not to "ß-tolper", but when a situation gets really
dramatic, my mother still does. So when she says "Fahr vorsichtig, draußen
ist Schneegeschtöber", it is nothing to mention, but when it is
"Kind! </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;" lang="DE">Willst du wirklich Auto fahren? Bei dem Schneeges-töber!!!" then the
snow ist coming really fast. </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">(Well,
sometimes she is over-cautious :-)) This might be so with many elderly northern
Germans who have been re-educated in their youth and carry "den s-pitzen
S-tein" in a deeper layer.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">The other extreme is surely
Schwaben, where they not "schtolpern", but even say things as
"ischt" (ist) or "Inschtitution" (Institution). </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;" lang="DE">Just listen to our german
finanzminister Schäuble. That's pure "Wir können alles außer
Hochdeutsch". </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">I don't know if or how
much they try to suppress that in their children (I would be sorry if they did,
it sounds very funny, but some do -- in Sachsen many people try to get rid of
their accent, which is a pity, but Sächsisch is considered to be quite
"un-sexy", that is enough to finish an accent). Now to me, the
Schwäbisch is sweet and funny, while our northern accent and our S-tolpern is
really cool. And if celebrated with enough confidence (Helmut Schmidt!!!), it
has Kult-Potential (Ron, how do I say that in English?). So your idea, Anja,
seems a good one: we might cultivate it! I will s-tolper more often in future
if I can.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Hartlich</span></p>
<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13pt;"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">Marlou</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">From: <img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.gif" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1">Anja Meyfarth <<a href="mailto:aurinel@spray.se" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">aurinel@spray.se</span></a>>to<img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.gif" name="upi" width="1" border="0" height="1"><a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">lowlands.list@gmail.com</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L "Language
politics" 2010.08.06 (05) [EN]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Dear Michael, dear Lowlanders,<br>
<br>
my mother says "ßt" and "ßp" and my brothers changed from
ßt and ßp to schp and scht. I myself never said ßt and ßp, what's a pity.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Anja</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">----------</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">M.-L. Lessing</span></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Arial;"><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Ron/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1"></span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style=""> </span></span></span><span class="gi"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">LL-L "Language
politics" 2010.08.07 (01) [EN]</span></span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">From: Hannelore Hinz <<a href="mailto:HanneHinz@t-online.de" target="_blank">HanneHinz@t-online.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2010.08.07 (01) [EN]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Hallo ji Plattdüütschen,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">mien echt' Mudder (Hamburg) is ok oewern spitzen Steen stolpert.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR">Mit dat <strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">S </span></strong>is dat so
ein Saak.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">S </span></strong><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">der neunzehnte Buchstabe des ABC, nach der üblichen Anordnung mit der
Buchstabengruppe <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Sch </span></em>verbunden.
Das S wird im Anlaut vor Vokal und im Inlaut zwischen Vokalen stimmhaft
gesprochen, vor Vokal auch als stimmlose Lenis, Lenes mit schwachem Druck u.
ungespannten Artikulationsorganen gebildeter Laut (z.B. b, w); Ggs. s. Fortis):
<em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Sadel </span></em>m. Sattel, <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">reisen</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">reisen; ist in <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Säwer </span></em>m.
Käfer und <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Salm </span></em>m. Psalm
stimmhaft geworden; wird durch Gefühlsausdruck stimmlose Fortis im Imperativ <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">süh</span></em> (lautl. ßüh) sieh.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Fremdsprachliches <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">s- </span></em>geht
über stimmlose Aussprache gewöhnlich in <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">z- </span></em>(lautl.
<em><span style="font-family: Arial;">ts) </span></em>über, vgl. <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">Sekret : Zekret </span></em>n. Abtritt,<em><span style="font-family: Arial;"> Selleri : Zelleri </span></em>f. Sellerie
(dieses nur einige Beispiele).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Die Zeitangaben abends, morgens usw. bewahren im Nd. den Artikel <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">des; </span></em>dieser wird zu <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">ds </span></em>verkürzt und geht in <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">z </span></em>(lautl. <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">ts</span></em>) über, so daß sich die Reihe <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">zabends, snachtens, smorns, zeemdags </span></em>vormittags, auch <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">zommers </span></em>sommers ergibt.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Vor Konsonanten außer <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">r </span></em>wird
stimmloser Reibelaut <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">s </span></em>gesprochen:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Beispiele: Slim : Schleim, smiten :schmeißen, snacken : sprechen, sporen :
sparen, stehen : stahn, Stiern : Stern, Strat : Straße, swor : schwer. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Im Inlaut verschmelzen s und k leicht, vgl. Hüseken
zu Hüschen (lautl. <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">hǖšn).</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Auslautend stimmloses <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">s: Kuß </span></em>:
Kuß, Oß : Ochse. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Doppel-<em><span style="font-family: Arial;">s </span></em>ist zu stimmlosen <em><span style="font-family: Arial;">s </span></em>vereinfacht.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Swerin : Schwerin, Schier : Schere, Schiew : Scheibe, slapen : schlafen,
smüstern : schmusen auch lächeln, snorken : schnarchen,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Steen* : Stein, Schaul : Schule usw..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">* ok spitzen St(een).</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Lit.: Wossidlo/Teuchert u. eigene Sammlung.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="DE">Ick stolper nu oewern spitzen Steen in mien Huus
nah mien Koek un mak mi 'n gauden Kaffe(e).</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Noch
'n schön' Sünndag.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Hanne</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="FR"> </span></p>
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