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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 08 August 2010 - Volume 01<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Ben J. Bloomgren</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com">ben.j.bloomgren@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Names" 2010.08.06 (08) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The Isle of Rugia (Germany’s
largest island, I believe) was of particular significance among pre-Christian
Slavs. It is there that certain pilgrimage sites were found, mostly dedicated
to </p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">There usuallz is huge
significance. Jesus is in everzthing!</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Ben</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">----------</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Morgan</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com">mwmbombay@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"History" 2010.08.06 (13) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">ॐ श्री गणेशाय नमः<br>
<br>
Larry wrote:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">There may be some influence from Hindu through Iranian contact,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Well in fact it is generally accepted (which does not necessarily mena it's
true, but..) that the Slavic word fro God (e.g. Russian бог /bog/ or Czech boh)
is an Indo-Iranian loanword (as in Bhagwan) (nd the same root of course is
found in the Slavic word for "rich" (e.g. Russian богатый /bogatyj/)
... via one (or more?) of the many Iranic tribes roaming the pains...</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">There is a distinction too between Triglav and Trimurti in that
Trimurti is an expression of the three supreme forms or names of Brahma or for
some groups Vishnu. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Triglav on the other hand was described as ruler of the three
states of being of man that are heaven, earth, and hell </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Brahma = God of Heaven (more abstract and remote creator Deity ... you will
find very few <i>bhakti</i> followers of Brahma!)<br>
Vishnu = God of Earth (i.e. he is the God who recurrently incarnated ON earth,
as Sustainer)<br>
Shiva = God of various forms of Destruction (therefore death .. and Hell in the
Greek sense?) ... and who, despite use of the name Brahma also to refer to the <i>advaita</i>
("non-dualistic" / monophysic) form of God, is also called (among
MANY names <i>Maheshvar</i> "the Great God"...</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">- hence the three heads or three faces of the god. Various
accounts state that Triglav had three human heads, or Goat heads, or even Horse
heads. </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Well,in India
the son of one of the three (i.e. Shiva's son Ganesh) has an elephant's
head... and Vishnu was incarnated with VARIOUS heads (and appropriate bodies):
fish, boar, etc ... but to my knowledge no goat heads or horse heads anywhere.<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Horses were used for divination purposes by the ancient Slavs
and were housed/stabled? in temples and other holy places. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br>
Horses of course were also an important part of some (esp. royal?) rituals
among the ancient "Hindus".<br style="">
<br style="">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">Triglav is often shown with his eyes blindfolded tightly shut or
golden bands covering his eyes or his heads/ faces veiled so he could not
witness the transgressions of mankind such was his power and probable rage. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br>
The easy beginners guide to recognizing the difference between statues of a
meditating Buddha sitting cross-legged and of one of the Tirthakaras (saints of
the Jain religion, another Hindu "offshoot) is whether the eyes are
wide-open (a Tirthakara) or closed (Buddha)<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">However Triglav was not the only multi faced/headed deity. Take
for instance Porenut who had 4 faces with a fifth one on his chest </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br>
Buddhism being, in many Hindu's eyes, a form of Hinduism (for example, the
Pashupati temple in Kathmandu is "For Hindus ONLY" ... but Buddhists
and Sikhs are freely admitted!), we see on Buddhists stupas 4 "faces"
(interestingly the "nose" on Nepali stupas is the Devnagari number 1)
, facing 4 directions ... and tradition has it there is a fifth in the
centre...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">or the protector god of Rügen called Rujievit/Ruzhavit who had
seven heads or faces and was armed to the teeth with 8 swords.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span title="International Alphabet of Sanskrit Transliteration">Rudra</span> (</span><span style="font-family: Mangal;" lang="SA">रुद्र</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="SA">) </span><span style="font-family: Arial;">is an "old" Vedic God of the Storm (and the Hunt) and is in some
ways a precursor of Shiva</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"> (e.g. in
post-Vedic texts Rudra is often used as an epithet of Shiva)... and as the
Archer God, maybe a precursor of Ram (incarnation of Vishnu) as well? </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">sthirebhira</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ṅ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;">ghai</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ḥ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"> pururūpa ughro babhru</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ḥ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"> śukrebhi</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ḥ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"> pipiśehira</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ṇ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;">yai</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ḥ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;"> | īśānādasya bhuvanasya
bhūrerna vā u yo</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">ṣ</span><span style="font-family: Arial;">ad
rudrādasuryam = "With firm limbs, multiform, the strong, the tawny adorns
himself with bright gold decorations:The strength of Godhead never departs from
Rudra, him who is Sovereign of this world, the might." (Rg Veda 2:33:9, in
translation of Ralph T.H. Griffith, 1896)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">ONE (though perhaps not the
currently most accepted) possible etymology of the name is from rud-
"red," (as in ruddy"). <br>
<br>
Many forms of Shiva's "consort" and also his son Ganesh/Ganapati ()
have multiple arms (often, but not exclusively) 8 in number (e.g. I have seen
Ganesh depictions with from 4 to 10 arms) ... and one of them, Kali, always has
swords in at least some of those hands...<br>
<br>
So, there are many parallels to be seen ... even if some of them are just
imagined ;-)<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family: Arial;" lang="SA"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: Arial;">
U C > || Mike Morgan<br>
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