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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 11 August 2010 - Volume 06<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology"</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Beste Marcus,</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">You wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">"vim" is etymologically
related to Low Saxon "Fimm(e)/Fîm(e)" with the same meaning ('stack
of wood', 'stack of hay', 'stack of grain', but usually 'stack of wood').
Etymologically it cannot be related to 'Wiem(en)'. According to Grimms'
dictionary (<a href="http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/WBB/woerterbuecher/dwb/wbgui?lemmode=lemmasearch&lemid=GW19406" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;"><http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/WBB/woerterbuecher/dwb/wbgui?lemmode=lemmasearch&lemid=GW19406></span></a>)
'Wiem(en)' is a Romance loan related to Latin 'vimen' meaning "pliant
twig, flexible shoot". But this doesn't really convince me.</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Me neither. Doesn't happen
every day, but I think Grimm is wrong here. Latin 'vimen' has become
"wijm" in Dutch, "waëm(pke)" (B) and is an entirely
different word altogether.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">According to data I collected for my
Plattmakers dictionary (<a href="http://www.plattmakers.de/index.php?show=2131" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;"><http://www.plattmakers.de/index.php?show=2131></span></a>)
the word is at least known from Groningen and
the Veluwe in the west to Mecklenburg in the east and from Schleswig
in the north to Waldeck in the south. That means it's common Low Saxon. I
didn't find any references that the word is known in High German or Dutch.</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">There are though. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Not surprisingly, the word
is also known in Western Flemish as 'vim', 'viem', 'vumme', 'fiem' and 'vijm',
meaning a big pile of wood or straw. In use in Bruges,
Ostend, Poperinge, Roeselare, and the very west in general. In
Old Saxon 'fimba' was a stack of grain, but Old and Middle High German had the
word too, resp. 'vîna' and 'vimme', a bunch. For some reason, it must have
vanished in the upper lands. I have no idea why, maybe interference? Flemish
also has 'vimme' for 'fin' (E), Flosse (G), just like some Swedish dialects do,
'fime'. Maybe one 'vimme' killed another one?</p>
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<span style="color: navy;">If the word is indeed known in Groningen and the
Veluwe but not in other dialects of the Netherlands and this observation is not
based on my limited research skills in regard to Dutch sources (which is quite
possible) than this is almost certain proof that the word is an old Saxon word
and no Middle Low German loan as Grimms suggest.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">More to the West, in Utrecht along the river
Vecht (in non-Saxon territory so to speak), 'vijn' is attested for a heap of
peat. But whether and how it is related to 'vim' is unclear.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Kind greetings,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Luc Hellinckx,
Halle, Belgium</span></p>
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