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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 12 August 2010 - Volume 01<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jonny</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L
"Language varieties" 2010.08.11 (04) [EN-NL]</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Beste Luc,</p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Du schreyvst:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="color: teal;">>> Which brings me to another feature that Western Flemish
may have in common with Saxon. Speakers from Holland
(and Antwerp by
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="color: teal;">>> extension ;=)) often not only tend to speak loud, but
also...a lot. In Lower Saxony, I had the
impression that just like in Western </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="color: teal;">>> Flanders, natives were
more silent and often kept a low profile. Then again, this may also have
something to do with the contrast </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="color: teal;">>> between city dwellers and countrypeople. However, when I
was in Helsinki (OK, maybe not exactly the Lowlands, but still a capital), >> folks were
speaking very slowly and very quietly. If ever, they spoke, that is ;=). I
guess our man in Helsinki,
Antero, may know the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="color: teal;">>> reason why.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">This is a very
interesting observance. I even would add that they're talking much faster, too.</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">I have discussed
this phenomenon with Piet Bult from Stellingwerfs, according women in special.
He strictly denied it, though I'm pretty sure about it. There are a lot of
Dutch families living around here (and every year more Dutch people like to
spend their holidays at our sea side), and it is a matter of fact that you can
hear a difference in loudness between a native inhabitant of our region and
them.</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">It's less obvious
with men in loudness but their speed is nearly equal ;-).</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">We've got the same
in Germany: people from big
cities like Berlin ("Berliner Schnauze")
or Hamburg ("Reesbüdel") as well as
people from the centre of the "Ruhrgebiet" are famous for talking
fast, a lot and much louder than rural people in Northern
Germany. I even would say that, for our criterions, some of
them are intolerable talkably and for that sometimes even don't find friends
around here.</p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">mvg</p>
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<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal">Jonny Meibohm</p>
<p style="font-family: courier new,monospace;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Lower Saxony, Germany</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: Language varieties<br>
<br>
Luc, Jonny, everyone,<br>
<br>
I believe we are merely dealing with differences based on population density here.
People in densely populated areas generally interact more and have to be more assertive
and competitive, while people in the country have more alone time and don’t rely
as much on verbal communication.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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