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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.08.13 (02) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">> From: <span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Jonny</span> <<a href="mailto:jonny.meibohm@arcor.de" target="_blank">jonny.meibohm@arcor.de</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.08.10
(02) [EN]</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">> 1. the developement from "staple"
>> "stable" >> "stall" or (more favored) on:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">> 2. LS "</span><em style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">Steel'"</em><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
[spoken like "stale"), German "Stelle", meaning
"place, locality".</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">We have "stal" in
toponomy. Some names date from a period when written resources were in Latin
only.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">1 - One well known occurence
is the place "Herstal" at the North-East of Liège, a few miles South
of the language border and well-known for its factory of arms. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">"<strong>Haristal</strong>" in the year 777.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Carnoy gives "<strong>stable</strong>" for the army, while the
nearby <strong>Herstappe</strong> (now
at the Flemish side of the language border) is explained as storage place '<strong>stapel</strong>' (pile) for the army. "<strong>Harstaples</strong>" in 1250.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">For Herstal see:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstal" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstal</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">or, in French, with more
historical details:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstal" target="_blank">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstal</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The grand-grandfather of
Charlemagne was "<strong>Pepin of Herstal</strong>":</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_of_Herstal" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_of_Herstal</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Is there an
etymological link between <strong>stable</strong>
and <strong>staple</strong>?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I read "<strong>Stal</strong>bridge" (Dorset) was called
"<strong>Staple</strong>bridge"
before (Thomas Hinde, The Domesday Book, 1995)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">2 - Other toponomical
occurencies in Belgium</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- <strong>Stalle</strong>, a dependency of the Brussels municipality
Ukkel. It
was a baronny. ("La baronnie de Stalle et d'Overhem", p. 123-138 in
Charles Viane, "Uccle au temps de jadis", 1950. [1173, Waltherus de Stalle, 1173 Henricus de Stallo,
...]</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- <strong>Opstal,</strong> a name for a dependency
of several municipalities as Buggenhout, Kampenhout..Carnoy leaves it open
whether the orogin is "stable" or "used space".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- <strong>Stal,</strong> a dependency of the former municipality of Koersel, once part of the
Liège-Brabantish condomium Lummen.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- 3 - In French</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Littré (1872) gives for "<strong>installer</strong>"; étymologie:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Wallon "<strong>estaler</strong>",
placer, du bas-lat "<strong>installare</strong>"</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">de "<strong>in</strong>",
en, dans et le bas-lat. "<strong>stallus</strong>", stalle</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">and for "<strong>stalle</strong>" (special place in a
church or theatre) ; étymologie</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Bas.-lat. "<strong>stallum</strong>",
"<strong>stalla</strong>", de
l'anc. haut-allem. "<strong>stal</strong>",
huis clos, chambre.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">for "<strong>étable</strong>",
étymologie</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Picard <strong>étale, étave, étaule</strong>;
Berry <strong>étoule, étaule</strong>;
Wallon <strong>stâf</strong>; provenç <strong>estable</strong>.. espan. <strong>establo,</strong> du lat. <strong>stabulum,</strong> de <strong><u>stare</u></strong>, être fixé ... Etable se
disait de l'écurie (stable for horses).</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I think we have an
etymological mix of the germanic "<strong>stal</strong>"
and the latin verb "<strong>stare</strong>".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">("bas-latin" is
used for latin of +- AD 400 till 500; I guess it must have been a difficult
task at the time for standardizing in a written form what was emerging in
regional language variants)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- 4 - Is there a "<strong>sta</strong>" root link between:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- staan, stehen, to stand</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- stellen, put in place;
herstellen, repair;</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- stad (town)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- steen, stone</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- staal, steel</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- stal, stable (horses), sty
(pigs); to "stall an animal".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- staple</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- staiga (Ghotic) path
(place to "go"), OHD stiga</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- stijgen: go to a more
elevated place</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- ...?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Roger</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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