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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 15 August 2010 - Volume 05<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Hellinckx Luc</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Grammar"</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Beste At,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">You wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL"><span style="word-spacing: 0px;">Hendrik van
den Draod</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">skryf dat die titel:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">“mijn dochters aan het werk op school voor
nieuwe speeltoestellen te bemachtigen"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">foutiewe Nederlands is, maar na Afrikaans
lyk.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">Ek verstaan Nederlands redelik. Maar
ek is onseker van die betekenis van hierdie sin.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">Sou ek die “voor” met “om” vervang, sou ek
die hele sin vertaal as:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">“my dogters werk in die skool om nuwe speeltoestelle
te bemagtig”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;" lang="NL">Maar sou ek die “voor” behou of met
“vir”vervang soos gebruiklik, sou die sin vir my betekenisloos wees.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In Brabantish this sentence
does make sense: My daughters at work in school, trying to obtain new toys.
Brabantish (just like French "pour") never uses "om" when a
certain goal is expressed. Example:</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">"Het land ligt te nat om te voetballen" (D)</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">'t Land leijt te nat vö te
sjot(e)n (B)</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In these circumstances, most
other Dutch dialects will use "om" though. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I don't know in which
dialect Hendrik's phrase was written, so the meaning could be entirely
different. Especially "bemachtigen" could mean something else. In
plain Dutch, the primary meaning of "bemachtigen" is "to
obtain", English "to empower" is a little hard to translate in
Dutch. I wouldn't use "machtigen" because that verb usually means
"to authorize"..."versterken" is better, but it matches
more "to strengthen"...something which also applies to objects.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Kind greetings,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Luc Hellinckx,
Halle, Belgium</span></p>
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