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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
Resources</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In a newspaper booth I found
a special issue of "Les Cahiers - Science & vie" about the origin
of languages: nr 118, August-September 2010, "<strong>Les origines des langues</strong>", 114
pp on glossy paper, 5.95 euro in France, 6.95 euro in Belgium, 8.95 Can
Dlr.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Some comments:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">It is written for a large
public, it is not a scientific publication.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">p. 16-18 Jean-Marie Hombert
(director of the CNRS and linked to the university of Lyon) dates, in an
interview, the <strong>origin of modern
languages</strong> (with a complex syntax) <strong>70.000 to 55.000 years ago</strong>, based on
the hypothesis that for crossing sees and oceans a spohisticated level of
language is supposed to be necessary. Distances over see over 100 km needed a
developped form of communication for preparing food for more than 3 days etc. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">p. 13 gives an unsigned
short article with the <strong>indo-european
tree</strong>:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">main branches:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- anatolien</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- celto-italo-tonkharien</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- balto-slavo-germanique</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- aryano-gréco-arménien</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">the "balto-slavo-germanique" is split in:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- proto-germanique</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- balto-slave</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">the "proto-germanique" branch is split in:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- Germanique occidental</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- Germanique du Nord, split in gothique and scandinave, the latter being
split in danois, suédois, islandais, norvégien</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The "germanique
occidental" branch in split in:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- <strong>flamand</strong></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- anglais</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- frison</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- haut allemand</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- <strong>bas allemand</strong></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The "bas allemand"
branch is split in:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- bas allemand</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">-<strong> néerlandais</strong></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">This confirms the French
view that their regional Flemish is more distinct from Dutch than it
is from English, and hides that Dutch has virtually always been used as the
written language form in Flanders.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">One can understand the tree
is not split further in all regional diversities, I miss though Afrikaans,
Faroese and Scots.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">For each of the language
groups dealt with, some characteristics are illustrated.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Some examples are
interesting, e.g. the order of words in Latin (p. 55):</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><em>Titus rosam Claudiae
dat;</em> Titus gives
the rose to Claudia</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><em>Tito rosa Claudiae
datur:</em> The
rose has been given by Titus to Claudia.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I presume conjugation and
decension later became too difficult due to:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- internal variety through
dialectal sound shifts</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- language interaction</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">so that (for all
indo-european languages???) the syntax of the phrases toke over, for keeping
the phrases unambiguous and understandable.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In the Germanic section p. 64-68
by Marie Valente there are several errors, some examples:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In a tabel companring
vocabulary between English, Danish, German, Dutch, Swedish and Islandic.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">the English
"tomorrow" is translated as "morgen" in German but
"temorgen" in Dutch.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I never heard
"temorgen" for "tomorrow".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">A large subtitle gives "La langue des Pays-Bas est une construction du
<strong>xvi</strong>e siècle",</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">while we have iterature from
the 12th century on.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I think that the lady has
been confused by the dates of printing of the oldest systematic grammars.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">It may explain why the Dutch
language is considered 500 years younger than Flemish on their
Indo-European language tree.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Dutch needs a printed
grammar, Flemish does not.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">So I don't think you people
miss very much when you do not find your copy of this magazine.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">An other magazine I found is
a special issue "<strong>Les
Mérovingiens"</strong> of the magazine "Histoire et images
médiévales", mai-juin-juillet 2010, 82 glossy pages, 6.95 euro, (11.95 CAN
DLR).</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The article "<strong>Litus</strong>" pages 76-77 deal with the
Saxon coast.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">It is based on archeological
findings of Saxon oblects and it extends from Normandy till the Boulonnais in the Nord.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The Flemish coastal area is
maked up to deep inland as swamp (with no Saxon findings), since it was not
drained (impoldered) yet at the time.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The most Nordic places with
a Saxon archeological findings are arounf the river "Aa": <strong>Wissant, Fréthun, Saint-Omer, Arques</strong></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">(Dutch names: Witzand, ?,
Sint Omaars - old name Sithiu, Arken)</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">An url link they give:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://musee-itinerant.org/site/spip.php?article21" target="_blank">http://musee-itinerant.org/site/spip.php?article21</a></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Roger</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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