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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 15 August 2010 - Volume 08<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Elsie Zinsser</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:ezinsser@mweb.co.za">ezinsser@mweb.co.za</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.08.14 (02) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Hi all,</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Hendrik, I
suspect ‘voor’ means here “in front of” unless it meant to be “vir”</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">meaning “for”.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Elsie Zinsser</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">>>From: Henry Pijffers <<a href="mailto:henry.pijffers@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">henry.pijffers@gmail.com</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Subject: LL-L South African connection?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Hi LL-Lers, and Afrikaners in particular,<br>
<br>
I was looking at someone's web profile, and as caption for a picture, she had
put: "mijn dochters aan het werk op school voor nieuwe speeltoestellen te
bemachtigen". Now, this construction with "voor" is incorrect in
Dutch. However, it struck me as Afrikaans. Would a construction like that with
"voor" be allowed in Afrikaans? Or not?<br>
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good gaon,<br>
Hendrik van den Draod</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Henry Pijffers</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:henry.pijffers@gmail.com">henry.pijffers@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.08.15 (01) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Cliff Smuts skreev:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">><br>
> My dochters aan het werk om een school met nuwe speeltoestellen te<br>
> bemachtigen" - My daughters at work making new playing equipment to
empower<br>
> a school.'</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">and Mark Dreyer skreev:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">><br>
> 'My dogter op skool is besig om nuwe bemagtingsspeeltoestelle te ontwerp.'</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Interesting how you both
interpret "bemachtigen", but it just means<br>
"verkrijgen", "obtain".<br>
<br>
but then Luc Hellinckx skreev:<br>
><br>
> In Brabantish this sentence does make sense: My daughters at work in
school,<br>
> trying to obtain new toys. Brabantish (just like French "pour")
never uses<br>
> "om" when a certain goal is expressed. Example:<br>
<br>
I think that explains it. The person who wrote it lives in Den Bosch<br>
('s Hertogenbosch), which is in the Dutch part
of Brabant. Now that<br>
you mention it, I think my Brabantish ex-mother-in-law used the same<br>
construction occasionally. I should've known.<br>
<br>
good gaon,<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Henry Pijffers</span></p>
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