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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 24 August 2010 - Volume 02<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Andrys Onsman</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:Andrys.Onsman@monash.edu">Andrys.Onsman@monash.edu</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.08.23 (05) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hallo Henry</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Could it be an earlier
version of "fatsoenlijk"? It fits in terms of meaning (ie decent).</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Andrys</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: Hellinckx Luc <<a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Beste Henry,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">On 23/08/10, at 21:43, Lowlands-L List wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: Henry Pijffers <<a href="mailto:henry.pijffers@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">henry.pijffers@gmail.com</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Subject: LL-L Etymology and stuff</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Hello LL-Lers,<br>
<br>
I was just reading an article<br>
(<a href="http://www.hervormdrijssen.nl/schildkerk-historie.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">http://www.hervormdrijssen.nl/schildkerk-historie.html</span></a>)
about the<br>
Schildkerk, the oldest church in my hometown. It contains a reference<br>
to the reformation, which came to Rijssen in 1598 (kinda late). Some<br>
masons from Deventer
were contracted to remodel the church, their job<br>
was “dat de kercken so haast enichzins soenlick gesuvert sullen<br>
werden”. I can understand most of that, but am stuck on the word<br>
"soenlick". My first thought was it meant "zoenlijk", as
the contrary<br>
of "onverzoeklijk", but that doesn't make sense. If it means<br>
"mogelijk", it makes sense, but then what did<br>
"zoenlijk"/"onverzoenlijk" originally mean?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Could it be that the text is just misread? The word "doenlijk"
still exists around here and means "doenbaar", "able to be
done" (E). The phrase would then mean:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">"...that the churches would have to be refurbished as soon as
possible..."</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">By the way, an "s" does somewhat resemble a "d"
in early Modern Dutch, because a "d" used to be written as Greek
lowercase delta.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Kind greetings,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Luc Hellinckx, Halle,
Belgium</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: Heiko Evermann <<a href="mailto:heiko.evermann@gmx.de" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">heiko.evermann@gmx.de</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.08.23 (03) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Dear Henry,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><br>
> I was just reading an article<br>
> (<a href="http://www.hervormdrijssen.nl/schildkerk-historie.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">http://www.hervormdrijssen.nl/schildkerk-historie.html</span></a>)
about the<br>
> Schildkerk, the oldest church in my hometown. It contains a reference<br>
> to the reformation, which came to Rijssen in 1598 (kinda late). Some<br>
> masons from Deventer
were contracted to remodel the church, their job<br>
> was “dat de kercken so haast enichzins soenlick gesuvert sullen<br>
> werden”. I can understand most of that, but am stuck on the word<br>
> "soenlick". My first thought was it meant "zoenlijk",
as the contrary<br>
> of "onverzoeklijk", but that doesn't make sense. If it means<br>
> "mogelijk", it makes sense, but then what did<br>
> "zoenlijk"/"onverzoenlijk" originally mean?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">I have found this page:<br>
<a href="http://dbnl.nl/tekst/dirc001lmfd03_01/dirc001lmfd03_01_0017.php" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">http://dbnl.nl/tekst/dirc001lmfd03_01/dirc001lmfd03_01_0017.php</span></a><br>
"Dit seit Ysaias: God heeft mi ghesent te 494 prediken een soenlick<br>
iaer494 den Heer ende enen dach sijnre 495 495-511wrake"<br>
where the footnote 494 says "een soenlick iaer: een jaar van verzoening."<br>
and in German today "in einer versöhnlichen Atmosphäre" means
"in a<br>
peaceful way".<br>
<br>
So my guess is that soenlick just parallels "enichzins" =>
"in one<br>
mind". So they went there to get rid of all "Roman stuff", but
not<br>
with anger but with care and diligence, totally in peace. And being<br>
protestant myself I think I can understand that somehow, that you want<br>
to "clean" the church of all the "Roman stuff" when
reformation<br>
comes...<br>
<br>
Heiko Evermann<br>
Hamburg</span></p>
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