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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 27 August 2010 - Volume 01<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(0, 104, 28);">M.-L. Lessing</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology"</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal">Dear all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">a Platt friend just asked me this:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 40px;" class="MsoNormal"><strong style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Hün
un Perdün</span></strong><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">
heißt wohl: "alles Mögliche, dies und das" - aber vielleicht auch:
"Krethi und Plethi, Hinz und Kunz"? Ich vermute, der Ursprung ist
französisch, aus der Besatzungszeit. Weißt Du etwas darüber?</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal">I have learned "Hühn un Perdühn" to mean
"Krethi un Plethi", but as to the origin I have no idea, has
anybody else? Can it have anything to do with chicken ("Hühn")?</p>
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<p style="font-family: times new roman,serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hartlich!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: times new roman,serif;">Marlou/Hamburg</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Etymology</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi,
Marlou!<br>
<br>
Interestingly and coincidentally, I was just researching the same expression pretty
much when I received your posting submission.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Indeed,
Low Saxon <i>Hüün un Perdüün</i> (“properly” spelled) means something like English
“the whole caboodle” or “kit and caboodle,” and, as I tend to use it quite often,
it can also mean “everybody and their uncle’ or “Tom, Dick and Harry.”</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I too
used to suspect it came from French loanwords or was another example of mock French
that Low Saxon liked to create (e.g. <i>Fisematenten</i>, <i>Schisslaweng</i>).
Apparently, it is still possible that there is a French connection. But it looks
as though Low Saxon got <i>Hüün un Perdüün</i> from (Middle?) Dutch sailors’ language:
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>Hüün</b> <<i> hune</i> (> <i>huun?)</i> ‘crow’s nest’ (Mastkorb)</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b>Perdüün</b> < <i>perduun</i> ‘guy rope’, ‘mooring rope’ (Haltetau)</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">[<a href="http://www.ndr903.de/programm/platt/platt190.html">http://www.ndr903.de/programm/platt/platt190.html</a>]</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Over to our Dutch experts to
tell us what the origins of those Dutch words are.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle</p>
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