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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 07 September 2010 - Volume 02<br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Lexicon" 2010.09.06 (04) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a>> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Subject:
Lexicon</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Dear Lowlanders,<br>
<br>
When it comes to “lobster” (<i>Nephropidae</i>), specifically “European
lobster” (<i>Homarus gammarus</i>), I want to say <i>Hummer</i> in Low Saxon
(as also in German), although I am aware that in some parts of Northern
Germany, such as Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, the word is <i>Lobster</i>
(probably due to English influence).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">The Nordic Germanic languages all have variants of <i>hummer</i>,
as do Lithuanian (<i>omaras</i>), Latvian (<i>omārs</i>), Estonian (<i>homaar</i>)
and Finnish (<i>hummeri</i>), and also the Slavic languages.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Aiming at an interregional readership in a Low Saxon writing
project, I need to decide whether to use <i>Hummer</i> or <i>Lobster</i>. What
is your advice?</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I've never heard
"Lobster" in Low Saxon. Where have you read or heard that word? The
word "Hummer"/"hommer" is present in Low Saxon, German and
Dutch (according to my etymological dictionaries it's a loan from a
Scandinavian language in all three of them). "Lobster" is only known
in some Low Saxon dialects and in English. If you aim at interregional
understandability "Hummer" is the choice.<br>
<br>
If "Lobster" is from Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania,
"Hummer" has also the advantage to stem from a region where there
actually are lobsters. Lobsters live around Helgoland in the North Sea, but
they do not live in the Baltic Sea.<br>
<br>
It would be interesting whether there are any native Low Saxon words for it. My
etymological dictionaries say that the word "Hummer" entered German
in the 16th century. If the situation is similar for Low Saxon there must have
been a native word before. Helgoland, the main
habitat, was and is Frisian-speaking but most of the Helgolandian contact with
the outside world was conducted in Low Saxon.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, Helgoland being the only
lobster habitat close to the Low Saxon regions it's very plausible that the
word used by Helgolandians is also the word used by their Low Saxon customers.
So if there were native terms they are almost certainly extinct now.<br>
<br>
By the way, Ron, could "Lobster" be part of "GDR language"?
Like "Broiler"?<br>
<br>
Marcus Buck</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Uwe Tychsen</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:tychsen@t-online.de">tychsen@t-online.de</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Lexicon" 2010.09.06 (04) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Leive Ron,<br>
<br>
bi uns in Oosholstein heit se uk
<b>Hummer</b>. Övrigens uk
in Däänmark: <b>Hummer</b>. De Helgolänner secht <b>Hómer</b>, uk wenn de Insel bet 1890 tau England hüürt
het. (min Fruu Ilse kümmt daar her).<br>
<br>
Ik grüss di ut Niestat<br>
Uwe</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: Hannelore Hinz <<a href="mailto:HanneHinz@t-online.de" target="_blank">HanneHinz@t-online.de</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L
"Lexicon" 2010.09.06 (04) [EN]</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Nu kam ick, leiw'
Lowlanners,</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><strong>Lobster,</strong> Pl. -s m. Hummer, Lobstersalat m, Hummersalat. BRI.
: John Brinckmanns Plattdeutsche Werke. Band 2, 37; 4, 55,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">hg. von der Arbeitsgruppe
der Plattdeutschen Gilde zu Rostock.
7 Bde. (Wolgast)Greifswald
1924 - 1934. - Pl. Nachl.: John Brinckmans Nachlaß, hg. von A. Römer,
Plattdeutscher Teil. 3 Bde. Berlin
o.J. - Volkssp.: Mecklenburgischer Volksspiegel aus plattdeutschen
Sprichwörtern undKernsprüchen. In: Ndd. Jb. 31, 22ff.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Literatur: Wossidlo/Teuchert</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><strong>Hummer:</strong> Der Name des Schalentieres scheint sich von
Skandinavien, an dessen norwegischer Küste seit alters gute Möglichkeiten für
den Hummerfang bestehen, ausgebreitet zu haben. Im dt. Sprachgebiet war das
Wort zunächst auf das Niederd. beschränkt. Seit dem 16 Jh. erlangte es
gemeinsprachliche Geltung. Niederl. hummer, isl. humar, norw.,schwed., dän.
hummer, mit denen wahrscheinlich griech. kámmaros "eine Art Krebs"
verwandt ist, gehören vermutlich im Sinne "gewölbtes oder </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">[mit einer Schale] bedecktes
Tier" zu der unter <em>Hemd</em>
dargestellten idg. Wurzel *kem- "bedecken, umhüllen".</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">niederd.: niederdeutsch,
niederl.: niederländisch.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Lit.: DUDEN 7 Etymologie der
deutschen Sprache</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Und noch dieses:</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer</a></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Die Hummergabel liegt schon
bereit, "nu gah ick in denn' Fischladen un köp mi 'n Lobster", aber
ich glaube, die Verkäuferin kennt dieses Wort nicht...</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hartlich Gräuten.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hanne</p>
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