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<b>L O W L A N D S - L - 07 September 2010 - Volume 03<br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Lexicon" 2010.09.07 (02) [DE-EN-NDS]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><em>> From: <span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span> <<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org" target="_blank">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></em></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><em>> I've never heard
"Lobster" in Low Saxon. Where have you read or heard that word? The word
"Hummer"/"hommer" is present in Low Saxon, German and Dutch
(according to my etymological dictionaries it's a loan from a Scandinavian
language in all three of them). "Lobster" is only known in some Low
Saxon dialects and in English. If you aim at interregional understandability
"Hummer" is the choice.</em></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I use "Kreeft" in
Dutch for Eng "lobster", Germ "Krebs", French
"Homard".</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">For the French
"Homard" Littré gives a Scandinavian etymology:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Dannois, "hommer",
allem. "Hummer".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I don't know whether there
is a big difference (or semantic overlap) in German between "Hummer"
and "Krebs".</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Trévour 1743-1753 gives:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Homard, ... grosse écrevisse
de mer. En Latin "astacus"...</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">For "écrevisse"
Littré gives for etymology:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Génev.
"écrivisse"; picard "écréviche", wallon
"grèvèse", namur "gravase", rouchi "graviche"; du
germanique: anc. Haut allem. "schrepiz"; allem. "Krebs".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">[Comment: "rouchi"
is a variant of Picard in the Valenciennois, adjacent to the Belgian border]</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">"Ecrevisse"
corresponds generally to the small crayfish, crawfish, Dutch
"rivierkreeft", German "Flußkrebs".</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In my South-Western
Limburgish I would use the French "Homard" for designing lobster
served as food.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">It is not unusual the see
French designations on printed menus.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Roger</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Lexicon</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Roger.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In Low Saxon of Germany, <i>Kreeft</i>
~ <i>Krääft</i> means ‘crab’ in general (as does German <i>Krebs</i>). In common
parlance in many Low Saxon dialects (also on the Netherlands side of the border), ‘crab’
may be referred to as <i>Dwarslöper ~ Dwarsloper</i>, literally meaning “athwart/sideways
runner/walker’. I suppose this excludes lobsters and their ilk.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">There’s some confusion. <i>Krabb</i>
(German <i>Krabbe</i>) ought to and in some cases does mean ‘crab’. But somehow
it came to mean ‘shrimp’ in many dialects ... though many Low Saxon dialects cann
‘shrimp’ <i>Granaat</i>. It’s a mess!</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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