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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.0866in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Marcus Buck</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "History" 2010.09.26 (01) [DE-EN]</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<span style="color: navy;">From: Heiko Evermann <<a href="mailto:heiko.evermann@googlemail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">heiko.evermann@googlemail.com</span></a>> </span></p>
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History</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">I thought you might like this entry from this dictionary:<br>
"Holsteinisches Idiotikon<br>
von Johann Friedrich Schütze<br>
Königl. Dän. Kanzlei-Sekretraire<br>
Altona 1806"<br>
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Entry "Setten":<br>
<br>
"Setten (Dän. saette): setzen<br>
Sade: Stille Ruhe. Richey macht es gegen Gramm der dies Wort vom Angs.<br>
Sida Dän. Säder Sitten ableiten will,<br>
wahrscheinlicher, daß es von Sate:Sitz abstamme.<br>
B.W.B. Daher Saten, Undersaten: Sassen Eingesessene, Unterthanen,<br>
der ursprüngliche Name unsrer Vorahnen, die an der Elbseite ihren Sitz hatten,<br>
die sich nach demselben Angelsaten, Holsaten, Wurtsaten unterschieden.<br>
Das Wort Sachsen ist bloß durch Oberländer aus jenem Worte gebildet.<br>
(Wolke Eingedichte Lpz. 1804. S.10)"<br>
<br>
Till today I never came across the idea to base "Sassen" on the word<br>
"to sit". Any comments?<br>
<br>
By the way;<br>
Who was Richey and who was Gramm and what does the abbreviation
"B.W.B." mean?</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Richey is the author of the
1755 "Idioticon Hamburgense". Gramm is the Danish philologist and
historian Hans Gram. BWB most likely means "(Versuch eines)
Bremisch-Niedersächsischen Wörterbuchs" from 1767.<br>
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The etymology of "Sachsen" being derived from "Saten" is
wrong. Schütze is correct that "Holstein"
and "Wursten" are derived from "Holtsaten" and
"Wurtsaten", but "Angelsaten" is a wrong analogy. The
Saxons have their name from the "sahs", a type of knife. That makes
perfect sense from an etymological point of view. Compare for "fohs"
which developed into "fox" in English, "Foss" in Low Saxon
and "Fuchs" in German. The same with "sahson".
"Saxon" in English, "Sassen" in Low Saxon and "Sachsen"
in German. It is plain impossible that "Sachsen/Sassen/Saxon" is derived
from "Saten". If "Saten" was the etymological source we
would have to assume that the Saxons loaned their own name from High German and
then High German again loaned the name from the Saxons and applied the second
Germanic sound shift a second time. And all this must have happened 700 years
before the time the second Germanic sound shift according to scientific believe
happened, because the Romans already used the term "Saxon".<br>
<br>
Marcus Buck</p>
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