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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
Antero Helasvuo <<a href="mailto:antero.helasvuo@welho.com">antero.helasvuo@welho.com</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.10.11 (02) [EN)<br>
<br>
12.10.10 1:34, Lowlands-L List kirjoitti:<br style="">
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Any
additions, ideas or hunches, anyone?</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hi Ron.<br>
<br>
Just a couple from my Finnish point of view: <i>ruukku</i> = jug or
(flower)pot, <i>krouvi </i>= inn, pub. Maybe more interestingly <i>rukki </i>=
spinning wheel.<br style="">
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<pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="1">-- </font></pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="1">Antero Helasvuo</font></pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<font size="1">Luutnantinpolku 9 C 20</font></pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="1">00410 HELSINKI</font></pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="1">FINLAND</font></pre>
<pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="1">TEL +358 9 5872345</font></pre><pre style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><font size="1"><a href="mailto:antero.helasvuo@welho.com" target="_blank">antero.helasvuo@welho.com</a></font></pre>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
"Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.10.11 (02) [EN)</span><br>
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Etymologie...</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hi Krukers,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I travel a lot, all thru our
beautiful country but never ever heard the name Cruikshank or something like
that...</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Mit een vrundelike groet uut
Stellingwarf,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Piet Bult</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(185, 0, 56);">Mark Dreyer</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.10.11 (02) [EN)</span><br>
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Dear Ron:</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L Etymology<br>
<br>
Dear Lowlanders,<br>
<br>
You wrote:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">I assume that the Dutch
surname Cruikschank<i> </i>is the equivalent of Kröger and Krüger, more
specifically someone that pours libations for others from a jug.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">A fascinating note. I will
only interpolate that I assumed "Cruikshank" to be an English surname
& memorial of a lame leg. Mind you your version, apart from the spelling,
is very persuasive. Consider Afrikaans for a jar, 'kruik', & to give,
'skenk'. <br>
<br>
Yrs,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Mark</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Etymology</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Welcome
back, Piet!<br>
<br>
Well, folks, apparently I created my own folk etymology of Cruikschank to compete
with another one:</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">This interesting surname,
of medieval Scottish origin, though apparently a nickname for a bow-legged
person, from the older Scots "cruik", hook or bend, plus "shank",
leg-bone, is, in fact, of locational origin from residence by the river Crui(c)k
in the former county of Kincardine (now part of the Grampian region). The river
Crui(c)k, which rises in the parish of Fearn and joins the North Esk near the
Kirk of Stracathro, is so called from the element, "cruik" (as above),
probably with reference to the winding course taken by the river. The latter
element "shank" is used here in the transferred topographical sense
of a "projecting point of a hill joining it to the plain". One, Christin
Crukschank was mentioned in a foundation charter of the chapel of Urchany in 1334,
and Cristinus Cru(k)sank was admitted burgess of Aberdeen in 1408. In the modern idiom, the
surname is also spelt Cruickshanks, Cruikshank, and Crookshanks. On September 27th
1750 Alexander Cruickshank and Margaret Kemlo were married in Glenbervie, Kincardine.
A Coat of Arms granted to the Cruickshank family of Tillymorgan, Aberdeenshire,
is gold, three black boar's heads couped. The first recorded spelling of the
family name is shown to be that of John Crokeshanks, burgess of Haddington, which
was dated 1296 - "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland", during
the reign of King John Balliol, King of Scotland, 1292-1296. Surnames became
necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this
was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have
continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the
original spelling.</p>
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Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: Hannelore Hinz <<a href="mailto:HanneHinz@t-online.de" target="_blank">HanneHinz@t-online.de</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.110.12 (02) [DE-EN-NDS]</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hallo Lowlanders,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Marlou schrieb: What are the
names for potters in all these languages?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">potters: <strong>Pötter, </strong>Nebenformen mit -ü- nur von M<span style="font-size: 10pt;">ANTZ </span>(Ernst Johann Friedrich Mantzel), <em>Pötter,
Poetker, Pütker, Pütter </em>m. Töpfer, Handwerker, der Tonwaren
verfertigt, Ofensetzer. Zum Meisterstück mußten geliefert werden</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">1. ein Topf einer Ellen
hoch, 2. eine Schüssel einer Ellen weit, 3. eine Krucke oben mit einem engen
Halse einer Ellen hoch. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Nach dem Rückgang und dem
gänzlichen Schwinden der Gebrauchsgeschirrtöpferei in Mecklenburg blieb der <em>Pötter </em>dann bis heute lediglich
Ofensetzer; zum Übergang der alten vom Maurer aus Ziegeln aufgemauerten Öfen
zum Kachelofenn, den der <em><b>Pötter </b></em>setzt,
s. <em>Aben (Ofen), Kachelaben, Kachelpott </em>und
<em>Pott. </em></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Rda.: <em>Pötter sünd narrsch</em>, weil es beim Drehen der
Scheibe im Kopf rundum geht; von ihnen selbst abfertigend zurückgewiesen, weil
sie zu viel mit närrischen Leuten umgehen müßten; übertr. allgem. <em>'n narrschen Pötter</em> Sonderling, seltsamer
Mensch.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Lit.: Wossidlo/Teuchert</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><strong>Kretscham; </strong>Kret, Kreit, Kreet : Zank, Streit, evtl. streitsam, scham
von schämen? Oder könnte damit eher Christian,
Krischan, Krischaan , Kre(t)scham gemeint sein...</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Na, dat kriegen wi
Lowlanners woll ok noch rut...</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">So as ümmer.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hanne</p>
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From: "Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: Etymologie...?<br>
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Goeie, beste Leeglaanders,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Nao lange tied moe'k eerst
wel even zeggen da'k jim wel wat mist hebbe. He'k ok wat slims mist, veur wat
disse liest anbelangt? Van et alderslimste het kammeraod Meibohm me wel wat op
'e hoogte holen, kan
'k jim zeggen. En veur zoveer ik zo now en dan een kertiertien over hadde, he'k
hier ok nog wel es even stiekem wat ommestruund.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">We hebben et zaekelik op 't
heden slim drok mar as et ok mar even kan
za'k me toch es weer wat heuren laoten, want et grote kerwei, de 'Biebel in et
Stellingwarfs' is klaor. Et tsokke boek van roem achtienhonderd bladzieden
hewwe op 'Oolde Meie' van van 't jaor prissenteerd. Krek as eerder, schrief ik
et liefste in mien eigen moekestael, et Stellingwarfs. Dat is et streektaeltien
van de beide gemienten Oost- en Weststellingwarf in zuudoost-Fryslân, Nl, veur
L-liesters die dat nog niet wussen. Zo now en dan wat in et westerlauwers
Frysk, et Nederlaans of wat vanalles deurenneer.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Ik vul wel mit de neuze in
de zooltene en zoere hering, doe 'k mi'j een dag of wat leden weer anmelde. En
now al weer zoe'n angriepend etymologisch vraogstok van chief Ron, over - zo
goed ik wete - iene van de alderooldste woorden die d'r iens bestaon (hebben):
'kruke' en verschillende oftreksel daorvan. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Inderdaod iene van de
alderooldste woorden, bi'j mien beste weten. Een woord dat oons alderdeegst
deur de zunne geven is. Dat kwam zo... </p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Al drekt nao et ontstaon van
de meenshied op disse wereld was d'r verlet van drinken. Niet alleman kon
vlakbi'j et waeter wonen en d'r mos dan ok al gauw wat op bedocht wodden om dat
waeter in te verslepen. Lange tied wodde dat daon deur grote blaeden van de
bomen te trekken en die as een soorte van koeme op te teren. D'r wodde ok wel
gebruuk maekt van biestevellen. Mar et was allemaole niet lieke haandig,
vanzels.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Et was een mennigte gloepens
slimme vrouwluden al es opvalen dat as de zunne d'r in braande, de wieke grond
zuver had wodde. Doe iene van die vrouwluden es wat mit de klei
ommepankoekbakte hadde ze bi'j toeval een koemegien maekt dat ze in de zunne
dreugen leut. Et begin van et stienen tiedpark! En et begin van wawwe
vandaege-de-dag 'diggelgoed' numen. De koemegies wodden hoe langer, hoe groter
en et voldee et volk ommeraek om in disse grote koemen et neudige waeter op te
haelen en te gadderen. Riekelik gauw ontston d'r zuver een soorte van
diggelfebriek. Et febrieksmaotig maeken van koemen en naotied ok van 'kruken'.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Now wil et geval dat d'r wel
es wat roeg warkt wodde en dat zoe'n kruke dan te vlogge druugde of om een
aandere reden knapte. Et singeliere geluud dat daorbi'j vri'jkwam was zoks as:
krrkk, krak, krok of kruk. En kiek es an, daor hewwe de oorspronkelike
etymologische oerklaanken van hoe we an et woord 'kruke' kommen binnen. Die
febriekies waor de kruken maekt wodden bin naotied vanzels 'krug' wodden. Wat
was d'r now makkeliker om et waeter op dat plak te gadderen en daor in kruken
te beweren. Weer laeter wodde d'r vanalles in die koemen en kruken beweerd,
o.e. droevesap. D'r wodde vanzels ok wel es wat van dat droevesap zoer of begon
uut himzels te gisten. In een dronken bujje wodden d'r dan een protte ni'je
woorden bedocht die vaeks allemaole wel wat mit dat 'krakken van kruken in de
kroeg' te maeken hadden.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Zo moet et west hebben mar
neem et wel mit 'n korreltien zoolt.<br>
Bliede da'k dit even kwiet kon en...<br>
Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf,<br>
Piet Bult</p><br><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
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