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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Theo Homan</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:theohoman@yahoo.com">theohoman@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.10.16 (01) [EN-NL]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy; text-decoration: none;">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a>></span></p>
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There are numerous place names ending with <i>-um</i> along the Netherlands’ coast, several also on Germany’s North Sea
coast. Possibly naively, I associate them with Frisian.<br>
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Does this “suffix” have the same etymology? What is it?<br>
<br>
Please bear in mind that the Frisian-speaking area used to be much, much larger
than it is now, that many Hollandish and Saxon dialects have Frisian substrata.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Hi,</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In most cases the
place-name-endings -um [on / en, etc.] go back on the very old dative plural
that was used to idicate the localisation ['he lives on/in the *um].</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://vr.gr/" target="_blank">vr.gr</a>.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Theo Homan</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: "Stellingwerfs
Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L: Etymologie</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Henno schreef: <br>
> so it indeed is unrelated to our other word "pultrum", it seems.
"Pulterum" seems to be its older form. </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Bingo! En dat 'pulterum' (ok
wel: pultkammer) zol van et Deens kommen: bargruumte, rommelhokke, vliering,
enz. Dat liekt inderdaod meer op oonze pultrum, et schriefkassien mit een
protte laegies en vakkies aachter kleine deurties. Et Stellingwarfs het et dan
lichtkaans via et Fries overneumen.<br>
Et 'pulpitum' (kaansel, preekstoel) uut de karke zol dan argens aanders
heerkommen.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Ron:<br>
As far as I know, de suffix ~um (ok wel: ~em) in et Fries is etzelde as '~hem'
en '~him' en meent: ... 'van him' of 'van hem', et laand van Jan: Janum; dörp
van (persoonsnaeme) Balle: Ballum; plak op een hoogte: Burgum, 'burg' is
hoogte, van de hoogte, a.s.o.<br>
Ok plaknaemen die eerder as 'terp' bestonnen hebben in et Fries vaeke ~um as
uutgang: Dokkum, Kollum, Hantum, Hogebeintum, Menaldum, Burum, Blessum,
Britsum, Wierum, Deinum, Boksum, Roordahuizum, Marrum. <a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terp" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terp</a>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Mit een vrundelike groet uut
Stellingwarf,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Piet Bult</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Marcus Buck</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Etymology" 2010.10.16 (01) [EN-NL]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy; text-decoration: none;">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a>> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">There are numerous place names ending with <i>-um</i> along the Netherlands’ coast, several also on Germany’s North Sea
coast. Possibly naively, I associate them with Frisian.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><br>
Does this “suffix” have the same etymology? What is it?<br>
<br>
Please bear in mind that the Frisian-speaking area used to be much, much larger
than it is now, that many Hollandish and Saxon dialects have Frisian substrata.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Some time ago I created a
small tool that shows the geographic distribution of places whose names contain
certain substrings (suffixes, affixes etc.). The link for "-um" is <a href="http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=placer&q=%24um" target="_blank"><http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=placer&q=%24um></a>.
Please be aware that the tool uses Google Maps and Javascript. For very common
suffixes like "-um" it may take some time until your computer has
computed the input and displays the map.<br>
<br>
Marcus Buck</p>
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