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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
"Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong" <<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
LL-L "Language varieties" 2010.12.13 (01) [EN-NDS]</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Dear Lowlanders,</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In a conversation on this
blog between Marlou Lessing and Marcus Buck, Marlou uses the expression “Wenn
ik dat rechterhand baven ingeven do”. This fascinates me. The totally different
way in which English on the one hand and Dutch and German on the other use the
verb “ to do” and doen/tun. First as a helper verb:</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Do you have two rain coats?
vs Heb jij twee regenjassen/Haben Sie zwei Regenmantel. Today I don’t swim vs Vandaag
zwem ik niet/Heute schwim ich nicht.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">In English and Dutch I also
know several expressions where “to do” is used as an independent action verb: I
do the laundry vs ik doe de was/Ich wasche ?????</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">And then there is the verb
used as “put”</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">English I stick my hand in my pocket, Dutch Ik <b>doe</b> mijn hand in mijn
zak/ik <b>steek</b> mijn hand in mijn zak; German “Ich <b>stecke</b> die Hand
in meine Tasche”.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">This is probably the way in
which Marlou uses it in “Wenn ich dat rechterhand baven ingeven <b>do</b>”</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Can one of you explain to me
how all these different uses of the verb “to do” came into being?</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Jacqueline BdJ</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Seattle WA</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Grammar</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Hi,
Jacqueline!<br>
<br>
(Just a brief reminder: Low Saxon is not German, but maybe I misunderstood
you.)<br>
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Low Saxon uses the full verb <i>doon</i> (/dou-/) pretty much the way Dutch
uses <i>doen</i>; e.g. <i>Ik do/stẹẹk de/mien hand in de/mien Fick.</i><br>
<br>
Marlou’s use of the auxiliary verb <i>doon</i> (/dou-/) belong to a
hard-to-describe Low-Saxon-specific grammatical-stylistic complex. As far as I
know, in German it is used only the northern Missingsch dialects, those with
Low Saxon substrata. There tends to be something emphatic about the device;
e.g.<br>
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conditional:<br>LS: <i>wenn ik dat rechterhand baven ingẹven <b>do</b> ...<br>
</i>Missingsch: <i>wenn ich das rechterhand oben eingeben <b>tu</b> ...</i><br>
Standard German: <i>wenn ich es oben rechts eingebe ...</i></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">English:
when I enter it at the top right ...<br>
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Alternatively, you could do it without the auxiliary:<br>
LS: <i>wenn ik dat rechterhand baven ingẹv’ ...<br>
</i>Missingsch: <i>wenn ich das rechterhand oben eingeb ...</i><br>
<br>
non-conditional:</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LS:<i>
Ik gẹv’ dat rechterhand baven in. ~<br>
<span style=""> </span>Ik <b>do</b> dat rechterhand baven
ingẹven.<br>
</i>Missingsch: <i>Ich geb das rechterhand oben ein. ~<br>
<span style=""> </span>Ich <b>tu</b> das rechterhand oben
ein.<br>
</i>Standard German: <i>Ich gebe es oben rechts ein.</i></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">English: I enter it at the
top right.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">interrogative:<br>
LS:<i> Giffst (du) dat rechterhand baven in? ~<br>
<span style=""> </span><b>Deist</b> (du) dat rechterhand
baven ingẹven?<br>
</i>Missingsch: <b><i>Gibst</i></b><i>(u) das rechterhand oben ein? ~<br>
<span style=""> </span><b>Tust</b>(u) das rechterhand oben
eingeben.<br>
</i>Standard German: <i>Gibst du es oben rechts ein?</i></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">English: <b>Do</b> you enter
is at the top right?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Perhaps it goes back to an attempt at avoiding “splitting verbs.” But it is also
used with simple verbs. <br>
<br>
Perhaps its use in interrogative constructions is old enough that the Saxon settlers
in Britain
took it over with them.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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