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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
"Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></p>
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LL-L "Language varieties"</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Beste At en aanderen,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Van de Afrikaanse spraoke
(en polletiek) weet ik vusen te min om daor een zinnig woord over te zeggen,
mar...</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Krek etzelde gebeurt hier in
de omkrieten ok. Ik geleuve ok niet in et instaand holen deur een zak mit
centen of de verplichtings die bi'jglieks heuren bi'j et onder Diel III van et
Haandvest veur Minderhiedstaelen van de EU valen. We moe'n et van onderen- of
van bovenof, mit mekeer zels doen. Jammergenoeg zie ik (nee, ik wil niet mit
mien vingertien wiezen!) Ron en Marcus - beide hiele goeie platpraoters -
gister of eregister liekwels ok in et Engels overgaon as et een betien de
wetenschoppelike kaante op gaot. Tja, en awwe et dan zels al niet doen, hoe
zuwwe et dan nog van aanderen verwaachten..?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Mit een vrundelike groet uut
Stellingwarf,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Piet Bult</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
Language survival</p>
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Piet,<br>
<br>
Af un an ward ’n Snack technisch un theoreetsch, un dat ward wichtig, dat <i>alltohoop</i>
dat verstaht un mitmaken kœnt, so ook de Experten, de de Spraak nich verstaht.<br>
<br>
Grötens,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Language survival" 2010.12.14 (01) [AF]</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span class="gi"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">If you write a scientific
paper, it is because you have ideas you want to present. If you write it in
Afrikaans, you might reach a few thousand readers in your field at most,
probably a lot less.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">When I lived in SA there was
a tendency for Rand Afrikaans and Pretoria
Universities in
particular to present the occasional paper in Afrikaans at conferences, but it
was recognised that it was more or less a political requirement. The delegates
who had come from Britain,
or France, or the USA, or
anywhere else in the world, tip-toed out for a coffee if they were close enough
to the exit. Many of these papers had something useful to say - but not,
apparently, to the 99.99% of the scientific community who happen not to
understand Afrikaans.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">There are any number of ways
to preserve your language; scientific literature surely isn't one of them,
unless you specifically <em>don't</em>
want to be reviewed or cited by the communitiy at large.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">The vast majority of people
who read and write English, aren't English, by a ratio of at least 10:1 by my
reckoning. When it comes to Germanic languages losing their roots, the language
of the English suffers as much from this "globalisation" as any other
- it's been effectively hi-jacked by the rest of the world, who seem hell-bent
on turning it into pidgin Graeco-Latin.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Paul. </p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Wintzer</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:k9mw@yahoo.com">k9mw@yahoo.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Language survival" 2010.12.14 (01) [AF]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Heel bedroevend wat ik daar
lees, At.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">English could be the saviour
of all the</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">other languages of the
world, if it </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">would become a lingua franca
in the</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">the form of a SECOND
language for</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">everybody, giving the first
languages,</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">big or small, the needed
breathing </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">space. As you point out, At,
the</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">opposite is happening.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">What is needed is the
corresponding</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">legal framework, helaas
absent but in</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">a handful of states, none
though w.r.t.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">English.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Sadly, Mike Wintzer</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: "Elsie
Zinsser" <<a href="mailto:ezinsser@mweb.co.za">ezinsser@mweb.co.za</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2010.12.14 (01) [AF]</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Haai almal,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">At, ons kan kerm en kla oor die tekort an akademiese werk
in Afrikaans </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">maar terwyl die ondersteuningsbasis stadig maar seker
wegkalwe en terwyl </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">ons nagraads-gekwalifiseerde kinders moet oorsee uitwyk
om werk te kry, </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">gaan hierdie situasie voortduur, en vererger.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">En laat ons maar eerlik wees; dis eenvoudig net meer
prakties om ’n PhD in </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">Engels eerder as Afrikaans te doen, want die kanse om
kontrakte by oorsese </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">akademiese instellings te kry, is net soveel beter! </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">Ek hoor juis in die week dat die ANC regering vir die VSA
gevra het om visa’s aan </span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">nagraadse Suid Afrikaners in te perk sodat hulle kan
huistoe kom en hier werk.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">Nou dis ‘n grap met werkreservering en loopbaan promosie
’n realiteit vir sekere rasse. <span style=""> </span><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">Groete,</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">Elsie Zinsser</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><span style=""> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">- - - - -</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;" lang="DE">At de Lange pos:</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><b>Afrikaanse wetenskaplike publikasies gaan kreeftegang</b> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">04/08/2010 17:25:31 </p>
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