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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mike Morgan</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com">mwmbombay@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.12.15 (04) [EN-NDS]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">re: split/unsplit verbs</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a>> </span></p>
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Grammar</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Du musst das Rauchen <b>aufgeben</b>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">(You must give up smoking.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Gib</span></b><span style="color: navy;"> das
Rauchen <b>auf</b>!<br>
(Give up smoking!) </span></p>
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Or to give an English example, taking into consideration that Ron is in Seattle and I used to live in Japan:<br>
1) I can outthrow Ichiro.<br>
2) I can throw Ichiro out.<br>
;-)<br style="" clear="all">
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mwm || U C > || Mike (aka Dr
Michael W Morgan)<br>
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soon @ IGNOU-UCLan New Delhi, India ... Allah, YHWH & Ganesh willing<br>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">"I have
become my own version of an optimist. If I can't make it through one<br>
door, I'll go through another door - or I'll make a door. Something terrific
will <br>
come no matter how dark the present." (R. Tagore)</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);"><a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a></span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.12.15 (06) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">from
Heather Rendall <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a><br style="">
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">re As for
“Have you any wool?”, although quite archaic, is still used<br>
in some English dialects or rather sociolect, especially in England.</span></p>
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Am I being very dim here but what is the problem with this construction?<br>
<br>
Have you any matches? seems just as used as Have you got any<br>
matches? or Do you have any matches?<br>
<br>
I might ask a shopkeeper Do you have any non halogen lightbulbs? but<br>
might just as well ask Have you any non-halogen light bulbs?<br>
<br>
It doesn't seem to me to be archaic at all. I use it and I hear it all<br>
the time.<br>
<br>
re the use of auxiliary 'do'. I thought we discussed this ages ago<br>
because I seem to remember writing in about the experience I had in a<br>
seminar when I suggest that English alone uses this construction and an<br>
Austrian in the group contradicted me and pointed out that in her<br>
dialect they used it a lot - Ich tue arbeiten. Since then I ahve learnt<br>
that it seems to be widespread throughout dialects of Europe.<br>
<br>
re the celtic connection. I am quite sure there is a connection between<br>
Welsh & English that gave rise to the is .....ing construction
but<br>
does Welsh also use a form with 'do'? My Welsh doesn't get me that<br>
far.<br>
<br>
best wishes<br>
<br>
Heather<br>
<br>
Worcester UK</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.12.15 (05) [EN]</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Much of this use of
"do", "did" etc is clearly much more recent than
suggestions of Anglo-Saxon imports or old Celtic influence allow.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">For Middle and early Modern
English, a construction like "brought you my hat?" "have you a
cloak?" would be quite normal. Sounds odd today - in fact most
people would call it "old-fashioned", which is significant. We
would usually use "did you bring my hat?", "have you got a
cloak/do you have a cloak".</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">A similar thing has ahppened
with our use of auxilliary + infinitive: "I'm going" rather than the
older "I go", which is of course more like German or Dutch.
Oddly we still use that form in a future sense, especially for habitual cases:</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">"Thought you were at a
language class" - "No, I go on Wednesdays"</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Derby</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">England</p>
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