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L O W L A N D S - L - 18 December 2010 - Volume 02<br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(200, 137, 0);">Henno Brandsma</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a>></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Subject:
<span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.12.17 (02) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">From: pbarrett <<a href="mailto:pbarrett@cox.net" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;">pbarrett@cox.net</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2010.12.16 (01) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Heather, I am sorry I didn't make it clear that I was speaking only
of American English. In movies from England, I hear the reversed order question
form with have all the time. It would strike me as very unusual to walk into a
liquor store in Chandler, AZ and hear someone say, "Have you any
supercheap beer, dude?" whereas someone in a posh restaurant might
say,"Have you any Grey Poupon?" I'm being a little facetious here but
it is unusual even among educated people in the U.S.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">The McWhorter book deals with the Germanic dialects using
do-support as well.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Pat Barrett</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Whether "to have"
has "do support" is a consequence of how that particular dialect
analyzes "to have".</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">If it is an auxiliary in all
contexts, then have behaves like one in that it has no do support, and direct
negation</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">(I haven't any bread, etc.)
while some consider it a "main verb" in the possessive sense
(sometimes reinforced</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">by an extra "got")
and an auxiliary otherwise (do you have bread vs have you seen him).</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Of course, historically, all
verbs behaved like the current day auxiliaries.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">Henno Brandsma</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">pbarrett</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:pbarrett@cox.net">pbarrett@cox.net</a>></span></p>
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<span class="gi">LL-L "Grammar" 2010.12.17 (03) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Such nursery rhymes, songs,
poems, church language, high formal style, and so forth all contain archaisms.
I made a point with my own kids of exposing them to such language. However,
many American children do not hear such nursery rhymes, songs, etc, coming as
they do out of a different tradition from mine. My wife comes out of a deep
Black culture from East Texas and we exposed
our children to that as well, esp through church, where the language shifts
back and forth between standared English and Black English and the songs are
filled with biblical references. </p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">If parents do not expose
their children to the riches of English, it's up to the schools to do so.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Pat Barrett</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Grammar </p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Pat wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">If parents do not expose their children to the riches of English,
it's up to the schools to do so.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Amen!<br></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
And, of course, in <i>my</i> book "English" as used by Pat in this context can stand for any other language.</p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br>
Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</p>
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