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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Ed Alexander</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:edsells@cogeco.ca">edsells@cogeco.ca</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.02.21 (01) [EN]</span><br style="">
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">At 02:24 PM 21/02/2011,
Henry Pijffers wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Someone asked why the English words "laughter" and
"daughter" are pronounced so differently. I've already found that the
former comes straight from Middle English, via Old English
"hleahtor", and the latter from Middle English "doughter",
from Old English "dohtor".<br>
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That explains why the vowels are different, but not endings (both -htor
originally). Nor why both words are written nearly the same these days. Anyone
got any ideas?</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Probably they were
pronounced the same way when their orthography became fixed. I think what
you are looking for is why the gh is now pronounced differently in each.
Daughter is originally an old compound, meaning "breast (dug) or
milk bearer." Word for breast in Anishnaabe is "dodo".<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Ed Alexander</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color: rgb(121, 6, 25);">Mark and Ruth Dreyer</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:mrdreyer@lantic.net">mrdreyer@lantic.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.02.21 (01) [EN]</span><br>
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Hello Henry:</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: LL-L Etymology</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">You wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Someone asked why the English words "laughter" and
"daughter" are pronounced so differently. I've already found that the
former comes straight from Middle English, via Old English
"hleahtor", and the latter from Middle English "doughter",
from Old English "dohtor".</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">My mite:</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Both words go to an IE
origin little changed from the ME (spelling). Afrikaans & Nederlands both
use the unvoiced palatal fricatibe (x) in the same place for the same words. I
am sure OE did the same, however they spelled it in AS (I would like to see the
conventional spelling in Northumbrian or Anglian, of course)..</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">As a matter of interest an
Iranian Jew & I got together on an idle afternoon & compared words
in Afrikaans & Modern Persian. With just a little Kentucky windage to the exact meaning, very
little, in fact, we stopped a ways past one hundred. I reckon we could have
done more had the time allowed. I remember one of these words was daughter,
'dogter' as we spell it in Afrikaans. It is pronounced exactly thae same &
means the same in Persian & Afrikaans.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Mark.<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"></span></p>
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