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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color:#5B1094">Paul Finlow-Bates</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Language history" 2011.04.16 (01) [EN]</span></p>
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You may not need to share a language to interbreed, but having interbred, you
(or your offspring) are pretty likely to share a language.</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Derby</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">England</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From:
<span class="gd"><span style="color:#790619">Pat Barrett</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:pbarrett@cox.net">pbarrett@cox.net</a>></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L "Language history" 2011.04.18 (01) [EN]</span></p>
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Funny you should write this. On a listserv for fl teachers we are having to
"entertain" the notion that Spanish Usted ("you" formal) is
from Turkish 'ustad' (a Persian word borrowed into Arabic and thence into many
other languages and meaning "master/teacher"). So many people with no
background in linguistics believe that their language is the center of the
universe and that any mild coincidence in form between two words with similar
meaning is evidence of borrowing, always from the writer's language, of course.
Doesn't the whole world learn from Turkish?</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Serbian saying: Speak
Serbian and the whole world will understand you - ?????????</p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">This is not a comment on the
recently proposed single source theory.</p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Pat Barrett<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<a href="http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett.php" target="_blank">http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett.php</a></span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gd"><span style="color:#5B1094">Marcus Buck</span></span><span class="gi"> </span><span class="go"><<a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a>></span> </p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: <span class="gi">LL-L
"Language history" 2011.04.18 (01) [EN]</span></p>
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="http://uk.mc286.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">And then there are the terms <i>indogermanisch</i> (German) and <i>Indo-Germaans</i>
(Dutch) that are still being used for “Indo-European” ...</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I
agree that there's much nationalism involved in linguistics but I don't think
this is a good example. It was named after the two geographic extremes among
the language families united by the Indogermanic superfamily. There's nothing
nationalist about that.<br>
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And if you look at this:<br>
<a href="http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Indogermanic%2CIndoeuropean&year_start=1700&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3" target="_blank"><http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Indogermanic%2CIndoeuropean&year_start=1700&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3></a><br>
you could easily get the impression, that quite the opposite is true.
"Indoeuropean" is the true nationalist term. The English language
almost exclusively used the term "Indogermanic" until WW I when
"Indoeuropean" sprung up. It was still the preferred term until WW
II, when "Indoeuropean" became more prevalent than
"Indogermanic".<br>
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The English-speaking world changed the term because they disliked the name of
their war enemy appearing in the name of their language family. The Germans and
the Dutch just sticked to the established term.<br>
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Marcus Buck</p>
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